John Burke has been affiliated with corruption, during his election campaign and he admitted it, He's going to run.
Desiree and her mother, Carol are running this year as well. Have they been associated with scandal and corruption? Desiree did want to get her husband a job, but what's wrong with that?
Plenty! Next she will have her whole family working for the town, qualified or not. That's real good for the taxpayers (sarcasm, for those who may not get it.)
i say let kj take us over. sure would reduce taxes and look at all the public money we would get. they get whatever they want anyway, so why not take advantage of any tax cuts, public assistance, grant money, etc. we can get. and they would double talk their way out of any lawsuit that comes up. with zoning going down the tubes, we don't have much to lose. woodbury has no plan that it sticks to; there are variances for anyone who comes up with bullying scare tactics. what a bunch of pussies we are.
The conments of the preceding blogger are insulting. However they do have a ring of truth. It's time to put in people who will abide by what those in the past have seen fit to enact in terms of zoning and not put in people who believe these zoning laws as obstacles to their "solutions" in their appeasement of paranoyic (sp) fear of Hasidic expansionism.
Ok people, listen up. Ralph pushed the Village because Larkin wanted him to. KJ politicians needed Woodbury to be a Village so that the dissidents could not form their own Village within Woodbury. Another Hasidic Village would have been competition for KJ and would have cost them alot of monies, both Federal and State. Wake up, we were all duped and did exactly what KJ wanted and needed. Thanks to Ralph and all those who signed letters and pushed petitions, including those who so called "saw the light later on". Yet another Woodbury boondoggle.
So, The Dissidents forming a village in Woodbury with their own zoning laws would have been a good thing? Your in favor of multible villages & zoning running amuck. Somebody finally admits creating a village PREVENTED anybody & everybody from forming multible villages with multible zoning laws. The Truth is out!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEADLINE NEWS Blogger on uncle betty admits the truth Woodbury controls and has secured their zoning. The truth is a beautiful thing.
So, The Dissidents forming a village in Woodbury with their own zoning laws would have been a good thing? Your in favor of multible villages & zoning running amuck. Somebody finally admits creating a village PREVENTED anybody & everybody from forming multible villages with multible zoning laws. The Truth is out!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEADLINE NEWS, blogger on uncle betty admits the truth. Woodbury controls and has secured their zoning by becomming VILLAGE. The truth is a beautiful thing.
Yes, it is true that you cannot form a village in a village, but that was not really a threat and it became the reason for Ralph's gang after it was exposed that forming a village does not stop annexation, which was the original reason for Ralph's gang to form a village. Think about it, the guy works for a state senator and is too stupid to look up the state law which would hav told him that that was wrong. But wait! we are talking about a guy who argues law with a lawyer in a public place! Truth is definetly funnier that fiction! Aieeeee!!!!!!
Ask Mike Q what his lawyer wife said about forming a village. No one on The Community Party or The Preservation Party, Ralph included, ever said creating a village would stop annexation. It was always CLEAR by both parties what the facts were. It secured Woodbury's zoning because it prevented villages from popping up all over. Big or small villages within towns have the right to create their own zoning laws. Monroe & KJ are a perfect example. So if you don't mind living next to a skyscraper..... But I voted for a village and I know exactly why I voted for the village!! Everybody understands a village secures our property values and Woodbury future because it keeps zoning under one "umbrella". This is not a dem vs rep issue. It was a property value issue. I am sure The Community Party & Preservation Party explained the facts of law to Woodbury Residents. A village does not stop annexation. It controls ZONING!!! Now, it's my understanding, ( I could be wrong) the fire department had a problem with the village because it gave the mayor and the village board control of the fire department's budget & changed their chain of command. But all is well that ends well, because the fire department is alive and well and doing a wonderful job! So, yes there were some cliches but nothing any good, great village couldn't work out!!!! My only problem is the lawyer has tooooooooo much to say, so his BILLABLE HOURS need to limited
You foolish, foolish person who said that having a village controls zoning! A village has no more control over zoning than a town. If a neighboring village annexes part of the village of woodbury then that village has control over the zoning in the annexed area.
And, yes, Ralph and his gang DID say that forming a village would stop annexation and said it publicly.
However, at this point it would be costly and silly to get rid of the village now. In fact we should keep it to remind us of how stupid people in Woodbury are.
To the person that said "Ralph never said formning a Village would stop annexation". Are you drunk? Not only did he say it would stop annexation once, he said it over and over again. He went even further as to put it in print, and issued it to everyone in Town the day before the election. Where have you been!
How Much did Golden make from Woodbury Village Board or Village meetings? I never heard such BOGUS recommendations And what about Desiree & her mother Carol Herb? Who's got the numbers? Does't MAMA herb work for the MW District.
I agree with the poster who said that neither party said that annexation would be prevented by forming a village. Ralph and his party did not pass out literature the day before the election that said it would. I saved the literature from both parties and do not see it anywhere. If you like the Community Party, they can do no wrong. If you like the Preservation Party, then they can do no wrong. If you don't like them, then there's nothing they can do right. The truth lies somewhere inbetween. Ralph does not run the town or village; neither does Larkin, Berean-Weeks, etc. We are the creators of our own destiny. If you don;t like what's going on, vote them out--better still, run for office!
To the person who obviously doesn't like Rick Golden- who would you like to see as attoreny for the Village? And please don't say a Village doesn't need an attorney. In creating the Village over almost the same foot-print as the Town, there were many new and unchartered waters that had to be navigated by the newly electted Village Mayor and trustees. They needed and will continue to need legal guidance, so I'm just curious- who would you want to see as attorney? Personally, if you research Mr. Golden's backgroung, you'll see he was a very good fit, but since you have an extreme point of view, please share who your choice would be.
At least one copy of the Preservation Packet- the one that came out earlier, not the night before did reference annexation. I believe it was in either Ralph or Burke's statements. Though I'm presently several hundred miles from being able to look at it myself. There was at least one statement, in writing.
And the problem remains that annexation IS an effective zoning change if it happens. A much scarier one than anything in Legacy Ridge or WP3.
I agree to not giving into hysteria- but assuming 20-30 year old zoning, drafted in drastically different circumstances continues to meet the needs of 21st century Woodbury is, no offense, but naive.
I remind everyone that Ace Farm went to KJ, to everyone's great distress, just as this clustered zoning started to be discussed. Brodsky's land would have radically improved the annexable parcels on that end of town. Our government couldn't just hope 20 year old zoning would fix what was happening.
Legacy Ridge lies on massive water supplies. We KNOW KJ is desperate for water to fuel its un-capped growth, and also that large reserves of it were bought just across the border- ever since Cornwall's inactivity let the Star lands go (even as it continues blaming us for our zoning plans).
Read the papers. We also know they are considering building a pipe there, which could tap both Cornwall and Woodbury wells if they get more land.
Even if they never manage to get an annexation plan on the Cornwall border (which would take another village created in Cornwall lands, admittedly hard to do), a KJ pipeline could potentially then pump Woodbury and Cornwall water out from both sides of the border, fueling rampant growth and annexation attempts across town.
I think that water should remain in Woodbury, where it can be managed and serve the people of the community which actually does environmental planning. Don't you?
No, KJ should NOT be the only factor out there. There are many benefits- such as the fact the Legacy project serves not only new houses, but funds an environmentally sound replacement to a failing sewer plant that would deeply drain the incomes of residents on that end of town. That funnels that water supply, in a controlled way, into the fire protection of the whole community. That allows more houses, yes, but avoids sprawl across 2 mountains, and large septic fields (the original plan), which would have also deeply impacted the landscape and quality of life over there.
We shouldn't give into fear. But we also can't close our eyes to the world we live in. Its not 1980 any more.
And for the record, I grew up in that "different world," before the boom in suburban growth transformed Woodbury and its neighbors before my eyes. I grew up in a house where that zoning was explained to me, how 3 acre zoning was designed to slow conventional development and preserve the rural nature of that part of town (before the "conventional development" game forever changed in Woodbury).
How my mom was fighting for wetland protections in this protected trout-spawning watershed, and how important wetlands were to human and animals life (Wetland laws, protecting our town and the Hudson watershed which would go out the window if land were annexed, or suddenly those wells could be drained dry).
Yes, its a different world. The economy will probably slow building for 5-10 years, but its not going to stop KJ's needs, OR the overall trends towards suburban growth all over Orange County. The rules have changed, and we need to adapt. Not free handouts to every developer- but a carefully managed plan targeted to help preserve the tiny list of some of Woodbury's last open spaces.
I for one can't sit on my hands and watch the frogs, the fish, the birds and the people I grew up near on see the water, and quality of life pulled out from under them because we couldn't adapt.
Unfortunately, your Mom changed her mind and now has the legacy (no pun intended) of destroying what she previously cared for by leading the cause of increased and clustered housing.
Additionally I had heard that the owners of Ace Farms were not happy by the flipping to KJ and forced the sale to be reversed. Can anyone out there verify that one way or another??
Judging from the post just after yours, it is obvious that people just don't or want to understand that CONSERVATION cluster development is just that; something that perserves larger tracts of land which is better for the environment.
There are people on the village board, or related to them that think that this is not a good idea.
But then again these are the people that think they are not political when they have turned out to be the most political of them all!!!
I'm not going to bother trying to justify Sheila's decisions to people who don't respect my points enough to even respond to what I wrote. Being a leader means making unpopular decisions because one believes they are right- but anyone who still thinks my mom "changed her mind" clearly hasn't bothered to listen to her, or me.
You can argue policy or accuse her of being misguided in her beliefs, but she and many have given clear consistent explanations to any who will listen. Her values come out of over 3 decades of commitment to public service and the environment- and I've seen how long she labored over every inch of these environmental plans- even after losing a dirty election and going back to a virtually volunteer position.
I'm happy to debate policy, but character attacks and insinuations have gone on long enough. I know people are upset, frightened and frustrated, on all sides. But its not fair to claim people are utterly betraying all their values, when the real question is a disagreement on policy in the incredible pressures facing our town.
If there has been ONE rational reason to explain why my mother would decide to "sell out" our town, I'm happy to hear it. But when someone does something unpopular, stands by it and receives no benefit, logic dictates they are acting out of deeply held values.
I'm willing to accept you have deeply held values too, even if we disagree- but ask you to give us the same consideration.
I've heard nothing about the Ace Farm deal being flipped- and didn't think it legally could. But if you have any info, I'd be curious to hear it.
I admit I'VE questioned it painfully. Spent hours on the phone from Boston asking questions about the process, and how tight the town's safeguards to closely monitor and guarantee the environmental plans are followed properly.
I know there is space to disagree in this stuff- and that not everyone who questions this plan is political, as the previous person said. All I ask is the debate be fair.
Kieran- unfortunately the atmosphere in Woodbury has not changed at all, and now that the Village elections near, there will be inaccurate assumptions, innuendo, wrongful finger-pointing and blatant lies spread via every medium possible- this site included. It's a shame, because good people who decide to get involved for the right reasons will be viciously torn apart and dragged through the mud by the agenda-driven few who believe that they, and they alone know what is best for Woodbury.
I pray for those who will enter that Woodbury arena, for their lives will probably never be the same, win or lose.
Prayers- one thing I might be useful for all the way out here at a seminary, heh.
Can't expect people not to get heated here, what with the way this place works. Though there don't seem to be as many outright insults, I'm admittedly half-conscious myself from finals, hadn't intended to get too caught up beyond bear-jokes.
Shall keep an eye here, but will try not to write books, or let it get to me. :P
Kierin Conroy, Please understand, I am not opposed to conservation clustering. What I am opposed to is conservation clustering for "481 Homes" vs conservation clustering for "150 homes". Its not about clustering!!!!!!!!! Its about 481 vs 150. Numbers Numbers Numbers. The Numbers don't lie!!!!! The Concept of "Conservation Clustering" is not an issue. BUILD 150 homes on 1/3 or 1/4 lots but don't build more then the original zoning called for. Please DON'T change or confuse the issue. And a builders profit is not suppose to be considered when an application is brought before the planning board. She never did understand the definition of the term "LIMITED GROWTH" when used in the master plan book. What page was that. Read it yourself.
I said Rick Golden is costing the village/TAX PAYERS too much. I have no axe to grind. If it's not Rick Golden it would be somebody else. The village board needs to become less dependent on him. The planning board should only have the consultants attend meetings as needed. May be schedule the attorney once a month. Its not personal. Its TAX DOLLARS! Thats ALL. The town could follow suit.
Funny how Liberth's name isn't brought up...what's he costing the tax payers?? Actually, the whole sense that the Village is costing too much makes me laugh...check out Burke & the bd member salaries compared to those of the Mayor and trustees!! And the Village bd doesn't even get health insurance offered. Why aren't you screaming about that, especially since their work has decreased!!
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Anyone who hasn't been affiliated with the scandal and corruption of the past 4+ years.
The village AND the town have elections in 2009? Someone check that. I think it is only the town that year.
March 18, 2009 is the date for the Village elections for Mayor and 2 trustees for a 2 year term.
Then in 2010 is another election for the other 2 trustees for a 2 year term.
Every year is an election year for the Village.
We jumped the gun on the Town elections.
Sorry.
No you didn't jump the gun Uncle. November 2009 there will be a town election. Supervisor and two board members. (Gianzero & Queenan)
OK, then we jumped the gun on claiming that we jumped the gun.
Lordie me.
John Burke has been affiliated with corruption, during his election campaign and he admitted it, He's going to run.
Desiree and her mother, Carol are running this year as well. Have they been associated with scandal and corruption? Desiree did want to get her husband a job, but what's wrong with that?
Plenty! Next she will have her whole family working for the town, qualified or not. That's real good for the taxpayers (sarcasm, for those who may not get it.)
village elections? Who IS gong to run besides Ralphies gang?
Hopefully no one. Valley girl and her brood have proven they can't do it while Golden is acting like president oh I mean vice-president Cheney.
You call someone a Valley girl? You're gay and your mother has a moustache.
And you drive a Prius and play with dolls. Wait, you're Jeff Dunham!
Maybe Rick Golden and Desiree HERB Potvin should run for the village spots, after all, they are the ones who are running things anyway.
Maybe in the new year our village board will finally get some sense and start doing what they are supposed to be doing: minimal damage.
i say let kj take us over. sure would reduce taxes and look at all the public money we would get. they get whatever they want anyway, so why not take advantage of any tax cuts, public assistance, grant money, etc. we can get. and they would double talk their way out of any lawsuit that comes up. with zoning going down the tubes, we don't have much to lose. woodbury has no plan that it sticks to; there are variances for anyone who comes up with bullying scare tactics. what a bunch of pussies we are.
The conments of the preceding blogger are insulting. However they do have a ring of truth. It's time to put in people who will abide by what those in the past have seen fit to enact in terms of zoning and not put in people who believe these zoning laws as obstacles to their "solutions" in their appeasement of paranoyic (sp) fear of Hasidic expansionism.
Yes, it's hard to look in the mirror and admit that what you see is the truth. Diet and exercise are the cures.
Ok people, listen up. Ralph pushed the Village because Larkin wanted him to. KJ politicians needed Woodbury to be a Village so that the dissidents could not form their own Village within Woodbury. Another Hasidic Village would have been competition for KJ and would have cost them alot of monies, both Federal and State. Wake up, we were all duped and did exactly what KJ wanted and needed. Thanks to Ralph and all those who signed letters and pushed petitions, including those who so called "saw the light later on". Yet another Woodbury boondoggle.
So, The Dissidents forming a village in Woodbury with their own zoning laws would have been a good thing? Your in favor of multible villages & zoning running amuck. Somebody finally admits creating a village PREVENTED anybody & everybody from forming multible villages with multible zoning laws. The Truth is out!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEADLINE NEWS Blogger on uncle betty admits the truth Woodbury controls and has secured their zoning. The truth is a beautiful thing.
So, The Dissidents forming a village in Woodbury with their own zoning laws would have been a good thing? Your in favor of multible villages & zoning running amuck. Somebody finally admits creating a village PREVENTED anybody & everybody from forming multible villages with multible zoning laws. The Truth is out!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEADLINE NEWS, blogger on uncle betty admits the truth. Woodbury controls and has secured their zoning by becomming VILLAGE. The truth is a beautiful thing.
Yes, it is true that you cannot form a village in a village, but that was not really a threat and it became the reason for Ralph's gang after it was exposed that forming a village does not stop annexation, which was the original reason for Ralph's gang to form a village. Think about it, the guy works for a state senator and is too stupid to look up the state law which would hav told him that that was wrong. But wait! we are talking about a guy who argues law with a lawyer in a public place! Truth is definetly funnier that fiction! Aieeeee!!!!!!
Ask Mike Q what his lawyer wife said about forming a village. No one on The Community Party or The Preservation Party, Ralph included, ever said creating a village would stop annexation. It was always CLEAR by both parties what the facts were. It secured Woodbury's zoning because it prevented villages from popping up all over. Big or small villages within towns have the right to create their own zoning laws. Monroe & KJ are a perfect example. So if you don't mind living next to a skyscraper..... But I voted for a village and I know exactly why I voted for the village!! Everybody understands a village secures our property values and Woodbury future because it keeps zoning under one "umbrella". This is not a dem vs rep issue. It was a property value issue. I am sure The Community Party & Preservation Party explained the facts of law to Woodbury Residents. A village does not stop annexation. It controls ZONING!!! Now, it's my understanding, ( I could be wrong) the fire department had a problem with the village because it gave the mayor and the village board control of the fire department's budget & changed their chain of command. But all is well that ends well, because the fire department is alive and well and doing a wonderful job! So, yes there were some cliches but nothing any good, great village couldn't work out!!!! My only problem is the lawyer has tooooooooo much to say, so his BILLABLE HOURS need to limited
What did the Village & Town Lawyers Make for advising during 2009?
What did the Village & Town Lawyers Make?
You foolish, foolish person who said that having a village controls zoning! A village has no more control over zoning than a town. If a neighboring village annexes part of the village of woodbury then that village has control over the zoning in the annexed area.
And, yes, Ralph and his gang DID say that forming a village would stop annexation and said it publicly.
However, at this point it would be costly and silly to get rid of the village now. In fact we should keep it to remind us of how stupid people in Woodbury are.
If you are a resident then that means you're stupid too! AND if you're stupid, your reasoning makes no sense.
CATCH 22
That's not a Catch 22. Thanks for demonstrating the point.
Nah nah nanah!!!
Is that something that you understand better?
Hahahahaha!!!!!!
To the person that said "Ralph never said formning a Village would stop annexation". Are you drunk? Not only did he say it would stop annexation once, he said it over and over again. He went even further as to put it in print, and issued it to everyone in Town the day before the election. Where have you been!
As for the upcoming elections if your not happy. VOTE THE BUMS OUT!! that's why we have elections, stop the uncle Betty Bullsh-t and get out and vote!
HERE! HERE!
How Much did Golden make from Woodbury Village Board or Village meetings? I never heard such BOGUS recommendations And what about Desiree & her mother Carol Herb? Who's got the numbers? Does't MAMA herb work for the MW District.
I agree with the poster who said that neither party said that annexation would be prevented by forming a village. Ralph and his party did not pass out literature the day before the election that said it would. I saved the literature from both parties and do not see it anywhere. If you like the Community Party, they can do no wrong. If you like the Preservation Party, then they can do no wrong. If you don't like them, then there's nothing they can do right. The truth lies somewhere inbetween. Ralph does not run the town or village; neither does Larkin, Berean-Weeks, etc. We are the creators of our own destiny. If you don;t like what's going on, vote them out--better still, run for office!
To the person who obviously doesn't like Rick Golden- who would you like to see as attoreny for the Village? And please don't say a Village doesn't need an attorney. In creating the Village over almost the same foot-print as the Town, there were many new and unchartered waters that had to be navigated by the newly electted Village Mayor and trustees. They needed and will continue to need legal guidance, so I'm just curious- who would you want to see as attorney? Personally, if you research Mr. Golden's backgroung, you'll see he was a very good fit, but since you have an extreme point of view, please share who your choice would be.
At least one copy of the Preservation Packet- the one that came out earlier, not the night before did reference annexation. I believe it was in either Ralph or Burke's statements. Though I'm presently several hundred miles from being able to look at it myself. There was at least one statement, in writing.
And the problem remains that annexation IS an effective zoning change if it happens. A much scarier one than anything in Legacy Ridge or WP3.
I agree to not giving into hysteria- but assuming 20-30 year old zoning, drafted in drastically different circumstances continues to meet the needs of 21st century Woodbury is, no offense, but naive.
I remind everyone that Ace Farm went to KJ, to everyone's great distress, just as this clustered zoning started to be discussed. Brodsky's land would have radically improved the annexable parcels on that end of town. Our government couldn't just hope 20 year old zoning would fix what was happening.
Legacy Ridge lies on massive water supplies. We KNOW KJ is desperate for water to fuel its un-capped growth, and also that large reserves of it were bought just across the border- ever since Cornwall's inactivity let the Star lands go (even as it continues blaming us for our zoning plans).
Read the papers. We also know they are considering building a pipe there, which could tap both Cornwall and Woodbury wells if they get more land.
Even if they never manage to get an annexation plan on the Cornwall border (which would take another village created in Cornwall lands, admittedly hard to do), a KJ pipeline could potentially then pump Woodbury and Cornwall water out from both sides of the border, fueling rampant growth and annexation attempts across town.
I think that water should remain in Woodbury, where it can be managed and serve the people of the community which actually does environmental planning. Don't you?
No, KJ should NOT be the only factor out there. There are many benefits- such as the fact the Legacy project serves not only new houses, but funds an environmentally sound replacement to a failing sewer plant that would deeply drain the incomes of residents on that end of town. That funnels that water supply, in a controlled way, into the fire protection of the whole community. That allows more houses, yes, but avoids sprawl across 2 mountains, and large septic fields (the original plan), which would have also deeply impacted the landscape and quality of life over there.
We shouldn't give into fear. But we also can't close our eyes to the world we live in. Its not 1980 any more.
And for the record, I grew up in that "different world," before the boom in suburban growth transformed Woodbury and its neighbors before my eyes. I grew up in a house where that zoning was explained to me, how 3 acre zoning was designed to slow conventional development and preserve the rural nature of that part of town (before the "conventional development" game forever changed in Woodbury).
How my mom was fighting for wetland protections in this protected trout-spawning watershed, and how important wetlands were to human and animals life (Wetland laws, protecting our town and the Hudson watershed which would go out the window if land were annexed, or suddenly those wells could be drained dry).
Yes, its a different world. The economy will probably slow building for 5-10 years, but its not going to stop KJ's needs, OR the overall trends towards suburban growth all over Orange County. The rules have changed, and we need to adapt. Not free handouts to every developer- but a carefully managed plan targeted to help preserve the tiny list of some of Woodbury's last open spaces.
I for one can't sit on my hands and watch the frogs, the fish, the birds and the people I grew up near on see the water, and quality of life pulled out from under them because we couldn't adapt.
Unfortunately, your Mom changed her mind and now has the legacy (no pun intended) of destroying what she previously cared for by leading the cause of increased and clustered housing.
Additionally I had heard that the owners of Ace Farms were not happy by the flipping to KJ and forced the sale to be reversed. Can anyone out there verify that one way or another??
Kieran
Judging from the post just after yours, it is obvious that people just don't or want to understand that CONSERVATION cluster development is just that; something that perserves larger tracts of land which is better for the environment.
There are people on the village board, or related to them that think that this is not a good idea.
But then again these are the people that think they are not political when they have turned out to be the most political of them all!!!
Most recent anonymous- thanks for your post;
I'm not going to bother trying to justify Sheila's decisions to people who don't respect my points enough to even respond to what I wrote. Being a leader means making unpopular decisions because one believes they are right- but anyone who still thinks my mom "changed her mind" clearly hasn't bothered to listen to her, or me.
You can argue policy or accuse her of being misguided in her beliefs, but she and many have given clear consistent explanations to any who will listen. Her values come out of over 3 decades of commitment to public service and the environment- and I've seen how long she labored over every inch of these environmental plans- even after losing a dirty election and going back to a virtually volunteer position.
I'm happy to debate policy, but character attacks and insinuations have gone on long enough. I know people are upset, frightened and frustrated, on all sides. But its not fair to claim people are utterly betraying all their values, when the real question is a disagreement on policy in the incredible pressures facing our town.
If there has been ONE rational reason to explain why my mother would decide to "sell out" our town, I'm happy to hear it. But when someone does something unpopular, stands by it and receives no benefit, logic dictates they are acting out of deeply held values.
I'm willing to accept you have deeply held values too, even if we disagree- but ask you to give us the same consideration.
I've heard nothing about the Ace Farm deal being flipped- and didn't think it legally could. But if you have any info, I'd be curious to hear it.
I admit I'VE questioned it painfully. Spent hours on the phone from Boston asking questions about the process, and how tight the town's safeguards to closely monitor and guarantee the environmental plans are followed properly.
I know there is space to disagree in this stuff- and that not everyone who questions this plan is political, as the previous person said. All I ask is the debate be fair.
Kieran- unfortunately the atmosphere in Woodbury has not changed at all, and now that the Village elections near, there will be inaccurate assumptions, innuendo, wrongful finger-pointing and blatant lies spread via every medium possible- this site included. It's a shame, because good people who decide to get involved for the right reasons will be viciously torn apart and dragged through the mud by the agenda-driven few who believe that they, and they alone know what is best for Woodbury.
I pray for those who will enter that Woodbury arena, for their lives will probably never be the same, win or lose.
Prayers- one thing I might be useful for all the way out here at a seminary, heh.
Can't expect people not to get heated here, what with the way this place works. Though there don't seem to be as many outright insults, I'm admittedly half-conscious myself from finals, hadn't intended to get too caught up beyond bear-jokes.
Shall keep an eye here, but will try not to write books, or let it get to me. :P
Kierin Conroy, Please understand, I am not opposed to conservation clustering. What I am opposed to is conservation clustering for "481 Homes" vs conservation clustering for "150 homes". Its not about clustering!!!!!!!!! Its about 481 vs 150. Numbers Numbers Numbers. The Numbers don't lie!!!!! The Concept of "Conservation Clustering" is not an issue. BUILD 150 homes on 1/3 or 1/4 lots but don't build more then the original zoning called for. Please DON'T change or confuse the issue. And a builders profit is not suppose to be considered when an application is brought before the planning board. She never did understand the definition of the term "LIMITED GROWTH" when used in the master plan book. What page was that. Read it yourself.
Kieran, please no more comments! I fell asleeep on my computer table and drolled all over my keyboard!
I said Rick Golden is costing the village/TAX PAYERS too much. I have no axe to grind. If it's not Rick Golden it would be somebody else. The village board needs to become less dependent on him. The planning board should only have the consultants attend meetings as needed. May be schedule the attorney once a month. Its not personal. Its TAX DOLLARS! Thats ALL. The town could follow suit.
Funny how Liberth's name isn't brought up...what's he costing the tax payers?? Actually, the whole sense that the Village is costing too much makes me laugh...check out Burke & the bd member salaries compared to those of the Mayor and trustees!! And the Village bd doesn't even get health insurance offered. Why aren't you screaming about that, especially since their work has decreased!!
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