Friday, March 16, 2012

Did The Earth Move For You?






KJ set to start Aqueduct pipeline dig
13.5-mile-long pipe would tap NYC water
By
Chris Mckenna
Times Herald-Record
Published: 2:00 AM - 03/16/12




Kiryas Joel is preparing to start construction of the first phase of a 13.5-mile pipeline to the Catskill Aqueduct, a $29 million project the village has planned for more than a decade to solve its ever-increasing demand for drinking water.




For this initial work, the village plans to bury a 24-inch-wide pipe under state and county roads from Kiryas Joel to Cornwall, a 6.5-mile stretch that takes in all of Seven Springs Road and Ridge Road and the northern half of Route 32 in Woodbury, according to papers submitted to the state Department of Environmental Conservation in October.




A project engineer met with Woodbury officials in February and told them construction might begin in May. Woodbury Supervisor John Burke responded last week with a long list of questions and demands intended to minimize the traffic disruption and potential property damage.




Kiryas Joel still needs permits for the work, according to various permitting agencies.
As of Wednesday, the DEC had yet to grant permits to cross wetlands and disturb streams, an agency spokeswoman said.




The stream permit is needed because the water main would burrow under the Woodbury Creek.




NYC permission on hold
Meanwhile, the agency that oversees New York City's vast, upstate water supply and must grant Kiryas Joel permission to tap the Catskill Aqueduct says it hasn't finalized a water-supply agreement.




They also said they have had no contact with Kiryas Joel about its water project for at least a year.




If true, that lack of communication is surprising because representatives of the village and the city's Department of Environmental Protection agreed they were on the verge of finalizing a deal when they met to discuss the project in mid-February 2011, according to notes from that meeting that the Times Herald-Record obtained last year.




In response to a Freedom of Information Law request for any meeting notes, email exchanges or other documents concerning the project since April 1, 2011, department spokesman Mike Saucier said there were none.




The first stage of construction will end at a property on Route 32 in Cornwall where Kiryas Joel plans to build a pump station and connect a new well it needs to boost its backup water supply, according to the village's paperwork.




Upstate communities that use the city's water are required to maintain adequate backup sources they can use when the city's massive water tunnels are shut off for repairs. Kiryas Joel still had to prove it could meet that requirement when its lawyers met with the Department of Environmental Protection in February 2011.




Kiryas Joel's engineers told the state in October that its new Cornwall well can produce 600,000 gallons of water a day, which is a gusher. Drawings submitted with its permit application suggest the well is on a vacant, 9.7-acre parcel Kiryas Joel bought for $264,000 in November 2010.




Backup wells required
Farther north on Route 32, Kiryas Joel also hopes to connect an abandoned water system once used by the Star Expansion factory. Kiryas Joel officials told the city last year that the Star Expansion wells can produce 1.5 million gallons of water per day.




Ultimately, Kiryas Joel plans to extend its pipe to New Windsor and share that town's tap into the Catskill Aqueduct. It also plans to build a treatment plan on Seven Springs Road in Woodbury to filter the aqueduct water.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

the lawsuit involves the sewage capacity due to the pipeline according to the papers in the past. if you search the record you can get more information about the suit. if the town wins the sewage lawsuit then they cant turn the water on for the pipeline.

9:06 AM, March 19, 2012
Anonymous Anonymous said...

not true. They will build the pipeline and then when told they can't they will say "Oops, well it's done so we may as well use it"

The same method they used for the water towers not too long ago....

2:11 PM, March 22, 2012

Anonymous said...

sell now or sell to the KJ folk but sell you will.

Thanks John B and Mike Q

hey Mike can I list with you? Do I get a reduced rate because your incompetence is why I have to sell?

Anonymous said...

Dont be putting BURKE'S name any where near Queenans. John B has fought every inch of the way for ALL of us.

Anonymous said...

Oh Burke is so pure! and he has fought for us!

Pray tell, WHAT exactly has he done to stop KJ?

Anonymous said...

another lawsuit bites the dust, thanks Mike!:

Court tosses Village of Woodbury law to block sale of water to KJ

GOSHEN – A State Supreme Court justice has declared a Woodbury village law that prohibits the sale of ground water within its bounds to other municipalities null and void. The ruling by Justice Lawrence Ecker tossed the local law saying the state, not a local municipality, has control over groundwater and what it wants to do with it.

The Woodbury Heights Estates Water Co., Inc. filed the law suit against the village. The company owner argued that the real purpose of the local law was to prevent his development of Forest Edge subdivision, and, consequently to stop the expansion of the Hasidic Village of Kiryas Joel in the area.

The company’s owner, Zigmond Brach had sold property in the village months after the law was adopted so that Kiryas Joel could build a water tower to provide its residents with potable water.

The Village of Woodbury sought to block that maintaining Brach did not obtain subdivision approval. But, Supreme Court Justice Elaine Slobod ruled in favor of Brach contending Woodbury could not indirectly affect KJ’s property rights by seeking an order compelling Brach to rescind the deed.

Anonymous said...

Way to go Mayor!

Anonymous said...

FYI
It was Mayor Stephanie and Burke who turned down Brodskys offer to sell the system to the town or village.

Anonymous said...

That's right John B has a knee jerk reaction to Brodsky, John will automatically say NO even if it is good for the town!!!!

Anonymous said...

Hey! do the people in New Windsor know that there town board is about to give away there water to KJ?

Anonymous said...

John Burke who was a strong opponent of the Woodbury Commons and all the traffic is strangely quiet on this Woodbury Commons expansion.

Hundreds of more cars added to the mess that is already there.

Where are you big John?

Anonymous said...

Ha! Big John spends his time in the court sticking his nose into other peoples business and not minding his own. He likes to do every one else's job but his.

Anonymous said...

Can the Uncle start a new comment on the M-W School Audit? The school board according to the state audit has been hiding millions of dollars in slush funds which are illegal for schools to do. They should have used this money to lower our school taxes. We need to vote all these people out of office.

Anonymous said...

get rid of EVERYONE on the school board
get rid of EVERYONE on the Village Board
Get of EVERYONE on the town board including the retread, the court jester and the newbies

THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!!!!

Anonymous said...

Are you volunteering to serve in their place(s)?? IS ANYBODY????

Anonymous said...

oh yes I am! Vote for me!!!
My name is Manny

Anonymous said...

doubtful. he rather pull the strings.

Anonymous said...

after reading several comment on many issues going back to 2007. What the hell is Burke and Manny still involved. I would like to know where they are today and what have they done to help their town Just curious to see how one sells out the people. Sad very sad

Anonymous said...

Just how did they "sell out" the people? Bold statement without backup.