Tuesday we get to vote on whether we will raise the cash to fix the pond?
So yes or no and why?
And, do any of you believe enough in your position to sign your name?
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Sad that it's become such a divisive issue. After reading all the articles in the THR and the Photo News, and watching 22 here are my questions:
Why didn't the board just go directly to referendum back in 11/08 or 12/08 when so many questions were raised? Then, if passed, they would have been well on their way and on the timeline they wanted.
The parks commissioners had severe reservations about this plan. Why didn't the Board listen to the commissioners back in 11/08 and hire that second firm back then? BTW, when is their report due, and will it be made public before the vote?
How does Mr. Burke and his cronies have the audacity to be supportive of the article 78's against WP3 & Legacy Ridge, but then turn around and try to say that he'll pay for some or all of this project by the parkland fees projected by both WP3 & Legacy Ridge? Projects that they've fought hard behind the scenes to stop! What hypocrites. More of "do as I say and not as I do" politics.
Let's say that the Board gets a vote of yes, moves ahead, and the project once again fails- then instead of, as several members of the Town Board put it, a $1.2 million dollar hole in the ground, we'll have a $2.6 million dollar hole in the ground. Then what?
How can the Town Board justify this expense at this time with no guarantees? How much money is there in the parkland fees fund right now? Both WP3 & Legacy Ridge appear to be on hold, in limbo &/or in court, so just when do they anticipate those parkland fees coming in? If they never come in, doesn't that mean that taxpayer dollars must start paying back the bond? With defense of the KJ pipeline issue looming, where is all this money supposed to come from?
MANY CHILDREN REALLY ENJOY THE POND AND MANY PARENTS GREW UP HAVING THE POND. MANY HAVE LEARNED TO SWIM AND MEET WITH THEIR NEIGHBOR'S KIDS. THEY DO NOT LIKE THE REZ AND DON'T CARE TO SWIM WITH SNAKES. SO WITH THAT IN MIND.... VOTE YES YES YES...YES..
Here we go again, only Sandy or only John can be against the pond and post- give me a break. You people with your narrow tunnel vision. See what happens on Tuesday.
From what I understand, we are voting on whether to fund the renovations with bonds, parkland fees, etc. We are not voting to fix the Pond. The Pond will be fixed regardless of the vote. If the referendum passes, the money will come from bonds, etc. If not, it will come from our pockets. At least, more of it will. As far as guarantees (Sandy said there are not guarantees that it will work), no one has a crystal ball. What in life is guaranteed? {except death and taxes!!!:)}. Should be interesting, no matter how it goes.
I cannot believe more of my money will be going into that sh-thole!!! I can bairly afford to live in this town and now they want to force me to pay more???
Sandy, John S. and Robin should have gone public months ago to the residents with their concerns. Why didn't they stand up at meetings, write letters to newspapers or hand out literature back in October? Maybe if they reached out to the public 5 or 6 months ago we could have changed the direction we are heading in now!
Hey Sandy, Robin and John S. thanks for the additional cost (3,000 to 4,000) to the taxpayers for having this election.
We need to join together, not divide the community. Why didn't you do a survey before you forced an election?
Who appointed the three of you to make decisions for me? I expect the members of the board to represent me not you. Why don't you consider a run this November?
To the last 2 posters- maybe you forgot that we live in a democratic society which gives people the right to question. From what I am told, they went to the meetings, stood up at the meetings & asked questions, walked petitions,hundreds signed the petitions,so now there is a vote- the democratic way. If it passes, then it gets bonded and the taxpayers will pay for it. If it doesn't, the board should listen and look at it again.
Isn't that what Mr. Burke and the others expected when they used the democratic process to try to overturn the WP3 vote? It should work both ways, don't you think?
/I'm curious Sandy; just what IS the Town Board hiding as you put it in your letter in the Photo News. Don't hide. I know you read this stuff dear. If you know what is they are hiding, then tell us and not just try to cast doubt. That's what Swiller does when he adds his spin.
I was one of the 5 who carried the petition to force the permissive referendum. You should not think that we want to close the pool! Our concern is that $1 million has already been lost on a hasty solution. The current plan does not have even one expert opinion that will guarantee that it will work. Nor do we know for sure whether the taxpayers will eventually have to pay for only the bond repayment in the future. What parkland fees will cover depends on how many houses are built this year and in the near future. The very same board members who now count on those fees to save taxes are the very people who have been consistently opposing developments like Woodbury Junction and Legacy Ridge!
OUR POINT IS NOT NOW, DURING THIS RECESSION. THE TIME MAY COME NEXT YEAR WHEN THE ECONOMY IS IN RECOVERY AND WE KNOW MORE ABOUT HOW VIABLE AND REALISTIC THIS PLAN IS. LET'S NOW POUR ANY MORE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS DOWN THAT HOLE AT THIS TIME!
Anonymous said... which is rolled into the purchase of the home....does not save the taxpayer!!!
Wait a second, if someone buys a home at a price that includes the parkland fees that the developer paid, it isn't a tax. The buyer decides if the price is worth it, and one of the considerations will be the amenities in the town.
"No need for haste in spending" You are so FULL OF CRAP, you scare me. No courage to speak the truth. You hide behide Mr & Mrs Nice Guy. Please find some COURAGE!!!!!!!!!!!! You phony. Are all you CONROYS the same?
the point isnt if the buyer thinks its a good deal....its that the buyer is paying not the developer...it was said earlier that the developer pays if he sells 5 or more lots...that isnt the fact!!!!
But when you buy a house you pay the seller an agreed upon amount that he bases on his costs, his labor, his taxes, his fees, his profit. That's true for a house, a car, a TV set or a candy bar.
Pat Conroy you should be ashamed of yourself. YOUR WIFE WAS THE SUPERVISOR ON THE BOARD WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE POND WAS APPOROVED!!!!!!!
Now you don't want to fix it? Who are you bullshitting by saying we should wait. Wait for what? It's just a delay tactic. I was a big supporter of Sheila and now I am truly disappointed in your ignorant behavior. All the research was done by three different experts. Do you want nine different experts?
Wait for what? Maybe you can wait because your old ass stays at home and drinks the alochol you buy at the CV liquour store every night after work, but my young ass doesn't want to wait.
Did Sheila get a guarentee when the first plan was proposed that she and other board members approved? Did she ask to wait so that she could get second and third opinions?
Let this be a lesson. You old folk stay home while the rest of us enjoy life. My glass is half full while yours are half empty.
I am tired of the negative doom and gloom people. We have enough to deal with without people like Robin Crouse,John Smith, Sandy Capriglione and Pat Conroy bringing us down. I guess now they will come after the Town Board with more negativity like what's going to happen when it fails? Blah blah Blah.
Remeber half full versus half empty... which do you choose?
Sandy, Robin, John Smith,& apparently ALL Conroys wouldn't know what the residents of WOODBURY want because "they know best". Its all about them!!!!!They are mean nasty and sneaky human beings. They should be taxed!!! They could care less about our children.
As one of the 216, I hope Robin, John, Pat, Sandy and others who aren't afraid to question things continue to stand up for me and the rest of the community when I feel I don't have a voice, and am too afraid of repercussions. Look at how the last 3 posters act- like children- nah, nah, nanah na. Grow up. We live in a Democratic society where people are allowed to question. If you were of the other opinion, you too would be glad that people were standing up for you.
Hopefully the project will be successful, and the housing market will boom, and nothing will come out of the taxpayers pockets. But, if it doesn't happen that way, it's still nice to know that there are a handful of people who care enough to pay attention and question. Please, please don't let the ignorant rantings of one or a few push you away. Thank you for your efforts.
Agreed. Though it may delayed the inevitable, our governmental system is SUPPOSED to allow the common "man" (generic) to exercise his/her right of free speech and dissent. It was done with the Article 78 on WP3, the Article 78 on Legacy Ridge, and the referendum here.
Oh, now I get it. It was okay for Burke to stand up and question the Town Board about EVERYTHING under the sun BEFORE he got elected, and it was okay for Haviland & Levine to make their snide little remarks and accusations about the Town Board BEFORE they got elected,and it's certainly okay for Hunter to get up, question and mouth-off to the Boards when SHE doesn't like something, BUT, when everyone else does it, they're "sneaky and nasty". Well golly gee, thanks for enlightening us all about proper etiquette and who can and can't speak up.
"Sandy, Robin, John Smith,& apparently ALL Conroys wouldn't know what the residents of WOODBURY want because "they know best". Its all about them!!!!!"
i personally feel that questioning is O.K. it's the nastiness and way that some go about it. I don't like John Burke because of the years he played games with the board as a resident.
Robin, Sandy and John smith are in that twist the truth game playing role and have been for years. Sandy really needs to wonder why she didn't get elected. Maybe it wasn't the message but how she went about it.
My glass is always half full like the other poster and it will remain half full. If the pond fails then we continue to pull it together and find a way to make it work. I am in favor of the board continuing to save the pond.
I have a pool so it's not for selfish reasons it's because it's the right thing to do. i also agree that waiting was ridiculus. People die waiting for things....
Simple question to the last poster-hypothetically of course- if you had been uncomfortable with the CV Pond project, would you have publicly voiced your concerns?
What a great turnout!!! out of 5500 registered voters in the town, we were able to get as many as we did!!! What was it? 600-700? And seriously while that is more than expected it is very sad.
Fill in the whole pond and make it a water park. Have water slides, and fountains, little wading pools for kids, etc. But for gods sake stop spending my money on something that will not work. And you might want to try getting a different engineer this time. Why is the Town using the same engineer that screwed it up the first time.
Why not go to a town board meeting and ask them yourself? There were no more than a half dozen public attendees there last night - there was more than enough time for you to ask all your questions.
The work on the pond 2 years ago was to resurface and make physical improvements to the facility. It did not include a filtering system. The pond water has never been filtered, only chlorinated. Ask the Parks Dept. The money spent then was not thrown away.
Yeah, they have been wonderful neighbors, sharing their resources and their wealth. They are always thinking of us and unfailingly obey the law. That must be the reason they are so popular. So I guess that makes all the rest of you anti-Semites. You're all idiots!!
As a matter of fact, Sheila's board tabled the first design for this project as a plan that was questionable. It was approved under Mr. Burke. I accept the voters' verdict and hope that the new plan is better, so all can enjoy the pool again.
oh, and the engineer didn't do anything wrong. the pond was reclassified, and that caused the need for a filtration system. so the money already spent was ok. this is the extra mile that the state and county are requiring.
Sorry Pat but you are only partly right. Sheila's board did table the first proposal however two years later approved the second propsal which was a scaled down version of the first proposal.
The only thing Burke's board did was approve the funding for the project.
"As a matter of fact, Sheila's board tabled the first design for this project as a plan that was questionable. It was approved under Mr. Burke. I accept the voters' verdict and hope that the new plan is better, so all can enjoy the pool again"
Again I state sheila's board approved the plan. There is a very clear distiction between approving funding and approving the actual plan. Don't be stupid.
to the 4:23 poster -- Approving the funding was just that. If the vote had gone the other way, the project still would have gone forward -- just with different funding (more of your personal tax dollars). So, approving the funding was approving the funding. There was no referendum on the project.
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Sad that it's become such a divisive issue. After reading all the articles in the THR and the Photo News, and watching 22 here are my questions:
Why didn't the board just go directly to referendum back in 11/08 or 12/08 when so many questions were raised? Then, if passed, they would have been well on their way and on the timeline they wanted.
The parks commissioners had severe reservations about this plan. Why didn't the Board listen to the commissioners back in 11/08 and hire that second firm back then? BTW, when is their report due, and will it be made public before the vote?
How does Mr. Burke and his cronies have the audacity to be supportive of the article 78's against WP3 & Legacy Ridge, but then turn around and try to say that he'll pay for some or all of this project by the parkland fees projected by both WP3 & Legacy Ridge? Projects that they've fought hard behind the scenes to stop! What hypocrites. More of "do as I say and not as I do" politics.
Let's say that the Board gets a vote of yes, moves ahead, and the project once again fails- then instead of, as several members of the Town Board put it, a $1.2 million dollar hole in the ground, we'll have a $2.6 million dollar hole in the ground. Then what?
How can the Town Board justify this expense at this time with no guarantees? How much money is there in the parkland fees fund right now? Both WP3 & Legacy Ridge appear to be on hold, in limbo &/or in court, so just when do they anticipate those parkland fees coming in? If they never come in, doesn't that mean that taxpayer dollars must start paying back the bond? With defense of the KJ pipeline issue looming, where is all this money supposed to come from?
Did Sandy or John forget to sign their name?
Or is this their "smoke and mirrors" on the issue?
MANY CHILDREN REALLY ENJOY THE POND AND MANY PARENTS GREW UP HAVING THE POND. MANY HAVE LEARNED TO SWIM AND MEET WITH THEIR NEIGHBOR'S KIDS. THEY DO NOT LIKE THE REZ AND DON'T CARE TO SWIM WITH SNAKES. SO WITH THAT IN MIND.... VOTE YES YES YES...YES..
Speaking of the pond vote..............isn't Skoufis, Swiller's boy?
ON MAY 5th VOTE YES FOR THE POND VOTE!
Here we go again, only Sandy or only John can be against the pond and post- give me a break. You people with your narrow tunnel vision. See what happens on Tuesday.
The only smoke around here be in the chimneys.
I haven't seen yet where the people asking for the referendum are "against" the pond.
From what I understand, we are voting on whether to fund the renovations with bonds, parkland fees, etc. We are not voting to fix the Pond. The Pond will be fixed regardless of the vote. If the referendum passes, the money will come from bonds, etc. If not, it will come from our pockets. At least, more of it will. As far as guarantees (Sandy said there are not guarantees that it will work), no one has a crystal ball. What in life is guaranteed? {except death and taxes!!!:)}. Should be interesting, no matter how it goes.
I cannot believe more of my money will be going into that sh-thole!!! I can bairly afford to live in this town and now they want to force me to pay more???
Move. It's much cheaper in KJ.
Sandy the phony says... Who could count on anything she says. She's Shelia the liar's sidekick
HUH????
Sandy, John S. and Robin should have gone public months ago to the residents with their concerns. Why didn't they stand up at meetings, write letters to newspapers or hand out literature back in October? Maybe if they reached out to the public 5 or 6 months ago we could have changed the direction we are heading in now!
Hey Sandy, Robin and John S. thanks for the additional cost (3,000 to 4,000) to the taxpayers for having this election.
We need to join together, not divide the community. Why didn't you do a survey before you forced an election?
Who appointed the three of you to make decisions for me? I expect the members of the board to represent me not you. Why don't you consider a run this November?
To the last 2 posters- maybe you forgot that we live in a democratic society which gives people the right to question. From what I am told, they went to the meetings, stood up at the meetings & asked questions, walked petitions,hundreds signed the petitions,so now there is a vote- the democratic way. If it passes, then it gets bonded and the taxpayers will pay for it. If it doesn't, the board should listen and look at it again.
Isn't that what Mr. Burke and the others expected when they used the democratic process to try to overturn the WP3 vote? It should work both ways, don't you think?
/I'm curious Sandy; just what IS the Town Board hiding as you put it in your letter in the Photo News. Don't hide. I know you read this stuff dear. If you know what is they are hiding, then tell us and not just try to cast doubt. That's what Swiller does when he adds his spin.
I was one of the 5 who carried the petition to force the permissive referendum. You should not think that we want to close the pool! Our concern is that $1 million has already been lost on a hasty solution. The current plan does not have even one expert opinion that will guarantee that it will work. Nor do we know for sure whether the taxpayers will eventually have to pay for only the bond repayment in the future. What parkland fees will cover depends on how many houses are built this year and in the near future. The very same board members who now count on those fees to save taxes are the very people who have been consistently opposing developments like Woodbury Junction and Legacy Ridge!
OUR POINT IS NOT NOW, DURING THIS RECESSION. THE TIME MAY COME NEXT YEAR WHEN THE ECONOMY IS IN RECOVERY AND WE KNOW MORE ABOUT HOW VIABLE AND REALISTIC THIS PLAN IS. LET'S NOW POUR ANY MORE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS DOWN THAT HOLE AT THIS TIME!
to the 7:55 poster:
if YES wins, the bond moves forward using parkland fees over the next 5 years, hopefully with little to no impact to me the taxpayers.
if no wins, then the taxpayers foot the entire cost all in 1 year.
Let me think,
VOTE YES for the bond.
Don't know where the last poster got their info from but it's WRONG! Good use of scare tactics though!
I just wanted to correct a typo:
I meant to say: LET'S NOT POUR ANY MORE DOLLARS, BUT I WROTE LET'S NOW, ETC.
SORRY FOR SUCH A FOOLISH SPELLING ERROR!
THERE IS NO NEED FOR HASTE IN SPENDING $1.4 MILLION!
where do the parkland fees come from????...taxpayers??
Parkland fees are paid by the developers when they have approvals to build on 5 plus lots.
Saves the taxpayers money!
which is rolled into the purchase of the home....does not save the taxpayer!!!
Anonymous said...
which is rolled into the purchase of the home....does not save the taxpayer!!!
Wait a second, if someone buys a home at a price that includes the parkland fees that the developer paid, it isn't a tax. The buyer decides if the price is worth it, and one of the considerations will be the amenities in the town.
Vote yes or no, but get the facts straight.
"No need for haste in spending" You are so FULL OF CRAP, you scare me. No courage to speak the truth. You hide behide Mr & Mrs Nice Guy. Please find some COURAGE!!!!!!!!!!!! You phony. Are all you CONROYS the same?
the point isnt if the buyer thinks its a good deal....its that the buyer is paying not the developer...it was said earlier that the developer pays if he sells 5 or more lots...that isnt the fact!!!!
I have no idea about the five or more lots.
But when you buy a house you pay the seller an agreed upon amount that he bases on his costs, his labor, his taxes, his fees, his profit. That's true for a house, a car, a TV set or a candy bar.
Jonathan swiller...you are wise beyond your years!!!
No matter which way you decide to vote, please exercise your right.
Is it TRUE WP3 aka KJ2 is in bankruptcy?
Pat Conroy you should be ashamed of yourself. YOUR WIFE WAS THE SUPERVISOR ON THE BOARD WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE POND WAS APPOROVED!!!!!!!
Now you don't want to fix it? Who are you bullshitting by saying we should wait. Wait for what? It's just a delay tactic. I was a big supporter of Sheila and now I am truly disappointed in your ignorant behavior.
All the research was done by three different experts.
Do you want nine different experts?
Wait for what? Maybe you can wait because your old ass stays at home and drinks the alochol you buy at the CV liquour store every night after work, but my young ass doesn't want to wait.
Did Sheila get a guarentee when the first plan was proposed that she and other board members approved? Did she ask to wait so that she could get second and third opinions?
The vote results are 621 yes 216 No
Let this be a lesson. You old folk stay home while the rest of us enjoy life. My glass is half full while yours are half empty.
I am tired of the negative doom and gloom people. We have enough to deal with without people like Robin Crouse,John Smith, Sandy Capriglione and Pat Conroy bringing us down. I guess now they will come after the Town Board with more negativity like what's going to happen when it fails? Blah blah Blah.
Remeber half full versus half empty... which do you choose?
Sandy, Robin, John Smith,& apparently ALL Conroys wouldn't know what the residents of WOODBURY want because "they know best". Its all about them!!!!!They are mean nasty and sneaky human beings. They should be taxed!!! They could care less about our children.
As one of the 216, I hope Robin, John, Pat, Sandy and others who aren't afraid to question things continue to stand up for me and the rest of the community when I feel I don't have a voice, and am too afraid of repercussions. Look at how the last 3 posters act- like children- nah, nah, nanah na. Grow up. We live in a Democratic society where people are allowed to question. If you were of the other opinion, you too would be glad that people were standing up for you.
Hopefully the project will be successful, and the housing market will boom, and nothing will come out of the taxpayers pockets. But, if it doesn't happen that way, it's still nice to know that there are a handful of people who care enough to pay attention and question. Please, please don't let the ignorant rantings of one or a few push you away. Thank you for your efforts.
Agreed. Though it may delayed the inevitable, our governmental system is SUPPOSED to allow the common "man" (generic) to exercise his/her right of free speech and dissent. It was done with the Article 78 on WP3, the Article 78 on Legacy Ridge, and the referendum here.
Oh, now I get it. It was okay for Burke to stand up and question the Town Board about EVERYTHING under the sun BEFORE he got elected, and it was okay for Haviland & Levine to make their snide little remarks and accusations about the Town Board BEFORE they got elected,and it's certainly okay for Hunter to get up, question and mouth-off to the Boards when SHE doesn't like something, BUT, when everyone else does it, they're "sneaky and nasty". Well golly gee, thanks for enlightening us all about proper etiquette and who can and can't speak up.
"Sandy, Robin, John Smith,& apparently ALL Conroys wouldn't know what the residents of WOODBURY want because "they know best". Its all about them!!!!!"
Then where do the other 209 voters live?
i personally feel that questioning is O.K. it's the nastiness and way that some go about it. I don't like John Burke because of the years he played games with the board as a resident.
Robin, Sandy and John smith are in that twist the truth game playing role and have been for years. Sandy really needs to wonder why she didn't get elected. Maybe it wasn't the message but how she went about it.
My glass is always half full like the other poster and it will remain half full. If the pond fails then we continue to pull it together and find a way to make it work. I am in favor of the board continuing to save the pond.
I have a pool so it's not for selfish reasons it's because it's the right thing to do. i also agree that waiting was ridiculus. People die waiting for things....
Simple question to the last poster-hypothetically of course- if you had been uncomfortable with the CV Pond project, would you have publicly voiced your concerns?
Mirror, mirror on the wall, which one amongst us is the most righteous of all?
"My young ass doesn't want to wait"
LOL
Whoo hoo!
What a great turnout!!! out of 5500 registered voters in the town, we were able to get as many as we did!!!
What was it? 600-700? And seriously while that is more than expected it is very sad.
Fill in the whole pond and make it a water park. Have water slides, and fountains, little wading pools for kids, etc. But for gods sake stop spending my money on something that will not work. And you might want to try getting a different engineer this time. Why is the Town using the same engineer that screwed it up the first time.
Why not go to a town board meeting and ask them yourself? There were no more than a half dozen public attendees there last night - there was more than enough time for you to ask all your questions.
The work on the pond 2 years ago was to resurface and make physical improvements to the facility. It did not include a filtering system. The pond water has never been filtered, only chlorinated. Ask the Parks Dept. The money spent then was not thrown away.
The engineer did not screw up. The plans and work was for a pond, not a pool.
Blah blah Blah keep listning to negative ignorant and plan stupid people if thats what you want.
Good luck to the board in making a better place for the people of woodbury to enjoy for many years to come.
So what's going on with the pipeline?? Is the Co fighting it? Are Woodbury &/or any other municipalities fighting it?
What about the golfcourse? Is Wayne going to flip that to KJ too?
I don't see why the Satmar would want the golf course. They can't drive and they slice their putts.
No, you idiot, they can slice our town in half.
Big open space, yeah, why would the Satmars want that? And with their friend Wayne, anything can happen.
the last poster can go f themselves, anti semite piece of shit!
Yeah, they have been wonderful neighbors, sharing their resources and their wealth. They are always thinking of us and unfailingly obey the law. That must be the reason they are so popular. So I guess that makes all the rest of you anti-Semites. You're all idiots!!
As a matter of fact, Sheila's board tabled the first design for this project as a plan that was questionable. It was approved under Mr. Burke. I accept the voters' verdict and hope that the new plan is better, so all can enjoy the pool again.
remember, the vote was for the funding, not for the project. the town was going to fix it regardless of the vote.
oh, and the engineer didn't do anything wrong. the pond was reclassified, and that caused the need for a filtration system. so the money already spent was ok. this is the extra mile that the state and county are requiring.
Sorry Pat but you are only partly right. Sheila's board did table the first proposal however two years later approved the second propsal which was a scaled down version of the first proposal.
The only thing Burke's board did was approve the funding for the project.
Pat must be taking lessons from Swiller....tell only half the truth
What a stupid distinction to make. Approving the funding is approving the project.
"As a matter of fact, Sheila's board tabled the first design for this project as a plan that was questionable. It was approved under Mr. Burke. I accept the voters' verdict and hope that the new plan is better, so all can enjoy the pool again"
Again I state sheila's board approved the plan. There is a very clear distiction between approving funding and approving the actual plan.
Don't be stupid.
to the 4:23 poster --
Approving the funding was just that. If the vote had gone the other way, the project still would have gone forward -- just with different funding (more of your personal tax dollars). So, approving the funding was approving the funding. There was no referendum on the project.
To the 7:04 pm poster- please explain how YOU believe the project is going to be funded as of this date.
mostly bonds and parkland fees
And just who do you think pays for the bonds???TAXPAYORS!
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