This time it’s a letter to the Times Herald Record from Mary Gross-Ferraro, Girl Extra-Terrestrial.
Here she is in all her glory:
Curious developments
Two curious things have happened recently in the Town of Woodbury. First, Legacy Ridge (281 homes) did not include the Jan. 10, 2005, Public Scoping Session Hearing minutes or any of the 24 letters from the public in its Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS). Last year, the town failed to give suburban developers (451 homes) about 30 letters and e-mails from the public for their DEIS, so they became an addendum.
Newly elected Supervisor Burke rightly sent the Legacy Ridge DEIS back to the developer for a do-over. I also think that the developer owes it to the public to explain why those documents were not included in the DEIS.
And second, Mike Queenan, Town Board member, proposed at the March 13 Town Board work session that he feels the term for future supervisors should be increased from two to four years. I think the proponents of this change owe it to the public to reveal who they plan to run for supervisor and why that person should not be subject to the ultimate public scrutiny in the form of an election after two years.
The public deserves answers.
Mary Gross-Ferraro
Highland Mills
Yep, it’s true, the Legacy Ridge folks handed in an incomplete DEIS and the Town’s consultants took one look at it and pointed this out. It was automatically sent back for completion.
Yep, it’s true, the Legacy Ridge folks handed in an incomplete DEIS and the Town’s consultants took one look at it and pointed this out. It was automatically sent back for completion.
The Legacy Ridge folks said "Oops, our bad, we sent you an earlier draft instead of the complete thingee and we feel dumb and here’s the right document."
Wow, how curious is that?
Not very.
It wasn’t as if they were trying to pull a fast one, the document couldn’t have been accepted and they would have known that, so the only possible outcome is that they look stupid.
But Mary sees plots, cabals and shadowy figures lurking in the woods.
As to saying it was Mighty John, Guardian of all that is Right and Good, who sent it back is sort of overlooking that everyone involved (The whole Town Board, the Town Attorney, The Town Consultants) sent it back. But Mary has her lips so firmly attached to John’s Butt, that her view was obscured.
By the way, the 30 missing letters were about half that number. The Town Board noticed they were left out and then, duplicitous bastards that they are, they put them in and made sure they were addressed.
OK, so those two points are Mary getting all hot and bothered over bullshit. Her last part is an out and out attempt to lie to you. She lays bare that Queenan, that filthy, rotten guy (and the rest of the board) proposed taking from the people the "ULTIMATE PUBLIC SCRUTINY"!!!!!
Gee Mary, how about mentioning that Queenan never, ever, ever, never, proposed making the Supervisor’s term 4 years long (you lying sack of...ahem).
He and the rest of the board did vote TO PUT ON THE BALLOT NEXT NOVEMBER A REFERENDUM SO THAT THE PUBLIC COULD DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES IF THE TERM SHOULD BE INCREASED.
Forgive her Lord, she’s just too dumb to stop believing Ralph.
Gross-Ferraro, Caruso, Siebold, Donnelly and the rest of the pond scum, lie to us again and again and again.
Why?
The Uncle thinks that there are three different reasons:
Some of these folks are just plain nuts.
Some are so stupid that they believe all the crap that Caruso shovels.
And some are neither of these two. They know that they are lying and that if their scare tactics and lies work the only outcome would be a takeover of Woodbury by Szegedin, Hirsch, Deutsch and the rest of the less than lovely people who currently run KJ.
And don’t forget:
The fact that Bill Larkin is their good buddy hovers over all of this.
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Curious developments
Two curious things have happened recently in the Town of Woodbury. First, Legacy Ridge (281 homes) did not include the Jan. 10, 2005, Public Scoping Session Hearing minutes or any of the 24 letters from the public in its Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS). Last year, the town failed to give suburban developers (451 homes) about 30 letters and e-mails from the public for their DEIS, so they became an addendum.
Newly elected Supervisor Burke rightly sent the Legacy Ridge DEIS back to the developer for a do-over. I also think that the developer owes it to the public to explain why those documents were not included in the DEIS.
And second, Mike Queenan, Town Board member, proposed at the March 13 Town Board work session that he feels the term for future supervisors should be increased from two to four years. I think the proponents of this change owe it to the public to reveal who they plan to run for supervisor and why that person should not be subject to the ultimate public scrutiny in the form of an election after two years.
The public deserves answers.
Here are a few:
Mike Q now I thought it would be Mike A running but the "Q" would be a good leader. Do these people live in the dark, take a look at all the homes built from 1970 to 2005 and most are on smaller lots. This is about power and they have lost it, they do not have four votes needed stop the project so let’s throw mud at Mike. Since they like Cornwall so much why don’t they pack up and move there!
We just got word the ruling is in and it does not look good.
FAILURE TO REFER ADOPTION OR AMENDMENT OF LOCAL ZONING ORDINANCE OR LAW TO COUNTY RISKS INVALIDATION FOR UP TO SIX YEARS
General Municipal Law Sections 239-m and -n require cities, towns and villages to refer certain actions, such as adoption and amendment of zoning ordinances and comprehensive plans, issuance of special use permits, approval of site plans and subdivision plats to the county planning agency if they apply to property within 500 feet of a municipal boundary, a county or state highway or other property listed in the statutes. The statutes authorize municipalities and counties to agree that certain of the actions listed are of local concern, rather than county-wide, and need not be referred to the county. If an action is subject to referral, however, an action may be challenged on the grounds that referral was not conducted or conducted improperly, and the courts will not hesitate to invalidate the action. Importantly, failure to refer a covered legislative enactment matter to the county could result in the matter being invalidated for up to six years after it was purportedly enacted.
Unlike other causes of action pertaining to planning and zoning matters, judicial review of a claim that the requirements of §§239 -m and -n have not been followed is not a matter of reviewing the record for substantial evidence to support a referring body's decision, but simply whether the referral was made in accordance with the statutory procedures. If not, the action will be invalidated. This is so because failure to properly refer is a "jurisdictional defect which renders the enactment invalid" (Caruso v. Town of Oyster Bay, 172 Misc.2d 93, 656 N.Y.S. 2d 809, affirmed as modified 250 A.D.2d 639, 672 N.Y.S. 2d 418 [1997] ).
Section 239 -m requires that both legislative actions (adopting or amending a zoning law) and administrative actions (e.g., site plan review, variance approvals, etc) be referred to the county. The enabling statutes provide a thirty day statute of limitations for administrative actions (i.e., Town Law §§267-c [1], 274-a [11], and 274-b [9] require an Article 78 proceeding to be filed within 30 days of the filing of a decision on a variance, site plan review and special use permit, respectively), but not for legislative actions. There is no stated time period in the city, town or village enabling laws within which an action must be brought. Therefore, the time period within which to bring an Article 78 proceeding against a municipality regarding the procedures used to enact legislation is four months (CPLR §217; Save the Pine Bush, Inc. v. City of Albany, 70 N.Y. 2d 193, 518 N.Y.S. 2d 943 [1987] ), but where a proceeding is brought alleging the validity of a legislative act based upon failure to refer to the county ("not a mere procedural irregularity but is rather a jurisdictional defect involving the validity of a legislative act" Ernalex Const. Realty Corp. v. City of Glen Cove, 256 A.D. 2d 336, 681 N.Y.S. 2d 296 [2d Dept 1998] ), such a proceeding is a request for a declaratory action rather than an Article 78 proceeding.
A declaratory judgement action, not an Article 78 proceeding, is the method for challenging the validity of a legislative action (Kamhi v. Yorktown, 141 A.D. 2d 607, 529 N.Y.S. 2d 528, aff'd 74 N.Y. 2d 423, 548 N.Y.S. 2d 144 [1989] ). In both Ernalex Const. Realty Corp. v. City of Glen Cove, Id., and Janiak v. Town of Greenville, 203 A.D. 329, 610 N.Y.S. 2d 286 (2d Dept 1994), the Appellate Division held that because a declaratory judgement action, rather than an Article 78 proceeding, was the proper vehicle for challenging the validity of a local zoning law, a six-year statute of limitations was applicable (CPLR §213).
What you talkin about Willis?
There has been no court decision. In fact there haven't even been arguments yet. And as to that long winded citation, the County was informed of the laws back last Summer and the County Planner responded to them 4 different times.
As to moving to Cornwall, that's exactly what Holly did, because she was worried about the future of Woodbury. And now that she's there she's signed on to screw us all over. Nice!
Donnie, we just got word that your psych eval is in and it does not look good.
Mary Gross-Ferraro, the supposed environmentalist, lives in conditions that are not exactly "preserving of the environment". Has anyone ever looked at that little colony of shacks that she and family live in, behind the antique store? What a dump! And what about the problems they had with discharge into the stream, the very one she pretends that she wants to protect?
If the Gross-Ferraro family is so environmentally oriented, then why are they clear cutting trees on their property on RT 32 accross from the Savory Grill? Some environmentalists!
Look, alomost everyone in Woodbury knows that she is not playing with a full deck.
Almost everyone in Woodbury knows Don is not playing with a full deck.
Almost everyone in Woodbury knows that Ralph is stacking the deck. And the only reason he has any influence is because of his connections to Larkin, not his sunny personality.
So, Dear Uncle, where do we go now?
Unless and and until the Democrats put up a real candidate against Uncle Billy we go nowhere.
Why does it have to be a democrat? Besides, the Democrats will never do that. But another strong republican may be able to take the senile bas@#rd out!
Hank Sullivan?
Please we all know that A "Hunter" will be running.
A Hunter is not running for state senate you ignoramus
I am sure she will run for something.
I went to see Holly today, at the tag sale to raise money for the suit against Woodbury.
Donnie and Donnelly were both there.
I like Holly a great deal, but she really has drunk the Cool-Aid.
She was railing about the all the homes being added to the Cornwall district. I said there are 120 extra homes being proposed for Legacy Ridge and Cornwall and New Windsor are adding almost 10 times that. She said that that had to be stopped too, but I don't see her doing anything about them.
I said that I didn;t see how two acre zoning could be called "high density." She said that senior housing could be much denser than that. But there is no senior housing proposed for Legacy Ridge, and if there were, it wouldn't add any students to the school district.
I said that I had heard she left Woodbury because she was concerned that the people running KJ might make their moves on Highland Mills. I pointed out that what she was doing was putting Woodbury even more at risk of that.
She said that she couldn't be concerned with just Woodbury, that Cornwall had to be defended...so the bottom line is it is less important if Szegedin makes Woodbury into another puppet government like Monroe than that Woodbury doesn't add any students to a school system being inundated by Cornwall's own bad planning.
Holly said:
"She said that she couldn't be concerned with just Woodbury, that Cornwall had to be defended"
THEN MAYBE SHE SHOULD GET OFF THE WOODBURY REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE AND JOIN THE CORNWALL COMMITTEE INSTEAD IF SHE CARES SO MUCH MORE ABOUT CORNWALL THAN WOODBURY. HER FATHER WOULD BE REALLY PROUD OF THAT STUPID REMARK. LOOKS LIKE HOLLY IS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT PROTECTING RALPH CARUSO'S FAILED POLITICAL AGENDA THAN WOODBURY, OR CORNWALL.
HAS ANYONNE EXPLAINED TO HOLLY, DICK RANDAZZO AND ANYONE ELSE IN CORNWALL OPPOSING THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT IF KJ BUYS THIS LAND AND DEVELOPS IT, THAT THOSE CHILDREN WOULD BE ELIGABLE TO GO TO CORNWALL SCHOOLS. OR, IF THEY WENT TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN KJ THAT CORNWALL WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING THEIR TRANSPORTATION BACK AND FORTH EACH DAY...JUST LIKE M-W HAD TO BEFORE THE KJ SCHOOL SYSTEM WAS FORMED.
CORNWALL SCHOOLS ARE OVERCROWDED...AND THE ANGER SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE CORNWALL PLANNING AND ZONING BOARDS NOT WOODBURY WHICH MAKES UP SUCH A SMALL PORTION OF THE DISTRICT.
KJ is not buying land off of Smith Clove Rd. Swiller do you have a job because you have way to much free time. You know that KJ will not buy the land off of Smith Clove, as for the WP3 they will get that land from Bill as soon as the 78 is done. He will never build one home because I have been told a deal is in place to flip just like the farm.
Ive never said that KJ was interested in Smith Clove Road.
As to Brodsky flipping, why in the world would he wait until after he gave the town part of the land to flip it when it is worth more now?
Once the town owns park land between WP3 and ACE farms, there is no longer one contiguous piece and it can't be annexed.
In other words, you are full of crap and part of the unending Caruso campaign of lies.
What I don't get is why you and your pals want to keep lying to the people of Woodbury (and Cornwall).
If you think that your position is right, let it stand on facts. If you have to lie to sell it, what are you really after?
By the way, I understand why people who oppose Caruso are afraid to use their names. He has a history of dirty tricks for retaliation. When I contradicted him in the Times Herald Record the first thing he did was go look at my tax records.
But who are you afraid of?
And even if you want to keep your real name hidden, pick one fake name and stick to it. That way we can see if what you have to say pans out or if you lie time and again (such as the hint that the Judge made a decision and it was bad news for us - whatever that meant).
As far as our neighbors buying land in or near Cornwall:
1- They have bought land IN cornwall
2- They have bought a water source in Cornwall
3- The land in Woodbury that borders Cornwall would be a nice catch for them
Is everyone still sleeping at the wheel? Are you people out there going to listen to the lies of CAruso Seibold and Donnelly? Caruso who works for Larkin who needs their block vote..... Do we need to leave a trail of crumbs for you?
Randazzo=Caruso=Larkin=Kelly
The anon before this anon is correct. KJ is already making inroads in to Cornwall...Wouldnt it be great if the land at the north end of town, probably one of the last wooded areas left in Woodbury outside of the state parks could stay just the way it is. Wouldnt it be great if there was no development down in Central Valley. But, wouldnt it also be great if the people of Kiryas Joel respected their neighbors, watched their growth JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER TOWN/VILLAGE HAS TO. Wouldnt it be great if the people of Woodbury, or Cornwall were not being held hostage by this one community...AND I DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT DAMN RELIGION OR SECT THEY ARE. However, sadly these lands WILL be developed whether we LIKE IT OR NOT. However, the people of Woodbury MUST BE IN CONTROL of how this land is AND WILL be developed. God help Woodbury if Caruso, Siebold, etc win this lawsuit. Our town will be dead if they do.
I see Mr. Donnelly whom i believe is the Democratic Chair of Woodbury is active in all of this hypocracy. Mr. Donnelly should look at the political history of Monroe. Before the days of KJ Monroe was a competitive town for the dems. Bill Rogers and John DeAngelis, Democrats, were long time town supervisors. Democrats were also elected to other posts as well. But, in the 1990's as the power of KJ began to take shape Democrats have been unable to be elected even when they are elected in EVERY SINGLE ELCTION DISTRICT OUTSIDE KJ. Will this fate behold Woodbury someday...Mr. Donnelly and his Democratic Committee should be quite concerned....or perhaps, maybe this is why he is kissing up to GOP Boss Ralph...will there be any other "John Burke Deals" to keep the dems on board with the Caruso Master Plan?? I guess we will all have to stay tuned.
http://satobs.org/seesat/Dec-1998/0122.html
dear chris
today (dec 4) at 4:25 pm est (21:25 gmt) in highland mills ny =
(41.35N 74.13W) when i saw something, moving north to south, high up, =
west of me. it seemed to be a plane with a short, double contrail. the =
front was a steady, bright white-yellow light, the "contrails" never =
grew in length. as it moved south it seemed to be far brighter than a =
plane would be. any chance that this was a meteor, skipping on the =
atmosphere? Have you folks heard anything?
jonathan swiller=20
Stay tuned??? The way I hear it, every monthly Democratic meeting, Old Bob Donnelly is putting hand-picked people on "his" committee, and creating something similar to what old Ralphie boy has on the Republican side. Hell, look what Donnelly did to poor Jimmy Galvin...Donnelly and his proxys...I hear Ralphie boy operates the same way. I heard the Dems can only get a handful of regulars at their meetings, which tells me Mr. Red Suspenders is filling up the committee positions just to use their proxys. Wake up Woodbury...I think it's time we all start heading down to those committee meetings and see for ourselves what's REALLY going on!
Guest Editorial
Adventures in Over-Writing
For some bizarre reason, the Bush Administration is determined to alienate the families of the victims of 9/11.
Already unhappy about the broken promises of increased funds for first responders, a great many of them were hurt by Bush-Cheney's use of images of Ground Zero and a casket of remains in campaign ads.
If that wasn't bad enough, the Bush people turned unhappiness to anger by dismissing the 9/11 families' objections, calling them "lefties" who were "coached by the Democrats."
A vast number of 9/11 families were powerfully moved by Richard Clarke's apology. Many openly wept as they said that this is what they had waited 2 ½ years to hear. More than one said that Clarke's words will help them heal. As the administration attacked Clarke, anger gave way to outrage and loathing.
And today Senate Majority Leader Frist denounced the apology, calling it "theatrical." This follows William Kristol's denunciation of the " pseudo-apology (that) has cheapened the public discourse." This is not what those families want to hear. If the Bush supporters want to change that loathing to white hot detestation, to implacable enmity, this is precisely the way to do it.
This September the Republicans will meet in New York City to celebrate Bush/Cheney O4. Do not be surprised if outside the hall, standing stock still in deafening silence, one thousand, three thousand, five thousand relatives of the victims of 9/11, their friends and supporters, form a tableau of irresistible reproach. Should this happen, the election will be over. The self-inflicted wound will have proved fatal.
Jonathan Swiller
8:51:50 PM comment [0]
Donnie,
Actually, that was rather nicely written. As to your frequent suggestions that he "get a life," he's not the one googling "Sielbold" (Lord knows what that would turn up - anything interesting in IAB's files that you'd care to share?).
These a-holes always attack the messenger but never deal with the message. theyve never answered why there suing Woodbury or how they would keep kj from buying the land. all they say it that Broski is going to flip it, like he couldnt do that now.
Gee Donnie, for some odd reason you left out this one:
Misinformation clouds Woodbury housing project
By Jonathan Swiller
In a truly astonishing display of misinformation, Ralph Caruso, an aide to state Sen. Bill Larkin, produced a "My View" (July 29) titled "Who's fooling whom on Woodbury housing projects?"
The central theme of the piece is the supposed demand by a developer for a rezone to high-density in order to realize excessive profits. And, as Caruso, head of the Woodbury Zoning Board of Appeals, should know, every part of this theme runs counter to the facts.
The "high density" he speaks of comes to an average of just over one house per acre.
This compares quite favorably to Caruso's own home, which sits on less than half an acre and which, I am certain, he would never describe as high-density.
Caruso claims that a rezone is not permitted, while, in fact, the town's master plan specifically says that this property can be granted three-quarter-acre to 1-acre zoning if water and sewer are made available – precisely the condition that the developer is offering to meet.
But it is when Caruso writes about the cost of the land to the developer that his piece is most misleading. He uses the price already paid for one portion of the land to extrapolate the future cost for the remaining, larger portion. Employing such phrases as "based on the purchase price" (of the original acreage), he comes up with a totally unrealistic number for the projected cost of the total acreage.
Caruso could just as easily say "based on the selling price of Alaskan tundra, the developer would only pay 10 cents an acre." He is well aware that the initial purchase was made two years ago and that the subsequent purchase of the neighboring ACE Farms property by the development arm of Kiryas Joel has created a bidding war for the remaining property, making the price of the earlier purchase irrelevant. And yet he bases all his projections of cost and profit on this meaningless number.
The project under discussion has pluses and minuses. It must be judged on its own merits. But there is no way that the public can make an informed judgment as long as they are handed such misinformation.
There are many roads to the truth, but Caruso wishes to lead us down a cul de sac. He has convincingly answered his own question: "Who's fooling whom on Woodbury housing projects"?
Jonathan Swiller of Highland Mills is chairman, SOCA at Work.
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