Anonymous said... "No one ever said creating a village would stop annexation."
So, how many of you folks had the same bizarre hallucination that I had...
...that strange dream in which the Committee for the Perversion of Woodbury and it's pals were telling us we needed a village to prevent annexation?
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"It" (the creation of the Village of Woodbury) seemed to be Ralph Caruso's master plan of how to finally become King of all that is Woodbury...he got people like John Burke, Bob Donnelly, Don Siebold, Carol Mullooly, and Mr. & Mrs. Mike Queenan (to name just a few) to buy into it, and voila, they came up with the scare tactics to beat all scare tactics. They held bogus "informational" meetings to light the match, and before we knew it, the fire was out of control, and the Village was born. The whole belly laugh in all of this is that the bottom of Ralph's master plan fell out when people came to their senses, started questioning his bullshit, (and the fact that he wouldn't allow his running mates to speak or show up at any public debates), and voted AGAINST him and his team in creating the government that would run the Village.
Now, after receiving their first tax bills, people are really scratching their heads and questioning the "Preservation Kit" and how one man could tell so many lies, and still be a resident of the Town/Village. In the old days he would have been tarred and feathered...in 2007 however, the best punishment for Ralph Caruso and his followers is to be totally and utterly IGNORED!!!
If you remember a few weeks before the Village Vote Michael Queenan wrote a letter to the editor warning people about the hidden costs that could be associated with forming a village.
I believe he had changed his mind and wanted to warn people! Why don't you give him a break and stop including him in the Ralph Caruso gang.
He was roped in just like some other people, until he started to question Ralph and his reasons for a village.
I give him alot of credit for publicly warning people of the hidden costs to create a village. What did you do publicly to get information out there?
Swiller also let the word out that it doesn't stop annexation.
Again what did you do?
Queenan did that because he was now in a seat of power,albeit a small one, and didn't want it diluted by a village.
He never explained why he was so bent on Ralph's Village though, did he??? I'll agree that everyone is entitled to make a mistake, but he must admit that he was instrumental in getting the idea off the ground and shoved down our throats. Too bad he was too wrapped up in Ralph's apron strings to see the truth.
Anonymous said...
Question ?? can there be another village created in the town of Woodbury??? The answer is NO NEVER ! the residents have secured all the land in Woodbury from the creation of anymore villages by voting 4 1/2 to 1 for the village of Woodbury.!! The residents have spoken and now have control over how they want their lands to be developed ..
Unless it's annexed.
Uncle Betty ( AKA Johnathon Swiller ) Please correct me if I'm wrong but If any part of land is annexed from the village of Woodbury , the residents living on those lands are no longer residents of the Town or Village of Woodbury anymore and don't vote in our local elections..
You're wrong.
New York State has a law referred to as "The Law of Diminishing Boundaries."
Basically, it says that any annexation into or out of a village has no effect on the borders of a town.
If any part of the Village of Woodbury were annexed into Kiryas Joel or Harriman it would remain part of the Town of Woodbury.
Call me coy, but the Uncle is free to speak for himself.
That's right a village cannot be created in our village! and the people voted 4 to 1, those who bothered to vote. But over 6000 did not vote so don't try to make it sound like some kind of mandate you moron.
And furthermore moon pies now cannot be formed in our village!!
that was as much a threat to Woodbury as the formation of a village in a village, you numbskull!
Caruso and his people should be SHUNNED!
thanks for clearing that issue up for me as I sometimes get confused...but is it not true that there cannot be anymore villages in Woodbury ??
Yes.
There cannot be any more villages created in Woodbury. Further, faster than light travel cannot happen in Woodbury. Nor time travel, nor slavery, nor treason, nor invisibility, nor weapons of mass destruction.
But, none of those things happened to be issues stressed by the Committee for the Perversion of Woodbury.
What did they want us to believe?
That villages prevent annexation, no changes to the fire district, an average tax increse of only $58.
All of those were lies.
The liars were Ralph Caruso, John Burke, Bart Bloom (or is it Blum?), Don Siebold, Bob Donnelley, Hank Sullivan, and friends.
And yes, three years ago Mike Queenan was one of them. And, also yes, before the vote on forming a village he publically said that he had been wrong. He was the only one who said that.
No wonder there are folks who want to change the subject.
So, as I said before The Town of Monroe has 2 villages. One village is 1.1 square mile with 18000 residents and I am not sure of the stats on the other village. But Woodbury won't have that problem of out of control growth because we have one town with one village. As far as taxation, well that will be up to the voters.
Uncle Betty ( AKA Johnathon Swiller ) I've read and re-read the literature that the preservation party put out prior to the village votes , both for the creation of the village and the voting for the elected officials and nowhere did I find where they said that creating a village prevents annexation . Did I not read all of the literature?? Please help me understand the truth as I want to be able to vote with solid truthfull information .
Bozo (aka Ralph) you forget one thing - we were all there.
Am I supposed to mind being called Uncle Betty?
Let's get back to Queenan. He admitted he was wrong.
Usually being in a position of power the last thing you want to do is admit you were wrong. It took a lot of courage.
i agree, give him a break!
Sounds to me you have an ax to grind.
What is that famous quote about "the company you keep"??? Ponder this...
Friday, October 28, 2005
Vote for Ralph Caruso!
Winston Churchill once said:
A politician needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen. That's the kind of leaders we need so Vote for Ralph Caruso!
posted by Michael Aronowitz at 2:35 PM 0 comments
Mike Aronowitz'z very own words from HIS blog at: www.maronowitz.blogspot.com.
Just something to keep in mind since we're now being asked to re-elect Mike A....
Uncle Betty , Please enlighten me with the truth .....I've read and re-read the literature that the preservation party put out prior to the village votes , both for the creation of the village and the voting for the elected officials and nowhere did I find where they said that creating a village prevents annexation . Did I not read all of the literature?? Please help me understand the facts as I want to be able to vote in next years village trustee elections with solid factual & truthfull information .
Anonymous said...
What is that famous quote about "the company you keep"??? Ponder this...
Friday, October 28, 2005
Vote for Ralph Caruso!
Winston Churchill once said:
A politician needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen. That's the kind of leaders we need so Vote for Ralph Caruso!
posted by Michael Aronowitz at 2:35 PM 0 comments
Mike Aronowitz'z very own words from HIS blog at: www.maronowitz.blogspot.com.
Just something to keep in mind since we're now being asked to re-elect Mike A....
OK
A Blogger said:
Monroe has 2 villages. One village is 1.1 square mile with 18000 residents and I am not sure of the stats on the other village. But Woodbury won't have that problem of out of control growth because we have one town with one village. As far as taxation, well that will be up to the voters.
Either you are stupid or a liar. First of all Woodbury has two villages, moron! And as someone else said, if land is annexed out of the village of woodbury it will still be in the town of woodbury but with the other village in control of zoning with them getting all the pluses of the town including our parks. When will you stupid people get it???? When will you stop believing something just because it is easy? AIEEEEE!!!!!
Hey dummy; you fail to understand that Mike A is on the Republican committee which means he should be supporting their candidates and put his personal feeling aside. What you fail to bring out is that he supported the Woodbury's COMMUNITY PARTY during the Village election and did not support Ralph for Mayor! Ralph also has told many members of the Republican committee to work against him and not carry his petitions and tell voters he is not right for Woodbury. SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AND TELL THE WHOLE STORY!
Woodbury does not have two villages. It does though have two hamlets. Creating a village has served a very specific purpose. You will not be able to create a second village in the Town of Woodbury with out of control growth. As far as annexation is concerned the only challenge for Woodbury will be the courage to simply say NO and stand by their convictions. The rest we will deal with it as it comes like everything eles. But deal with it in an open forum. And yes a little less name calling. I am not a moron just someone with different values and opinions then you.
Also let me add that Ralph is the Chairman of the Woodbury Republican Committee and as a registered Republican I find it atrocious that he does not support the endorsed candidates and works behind the scenes for John and Bo. I hope the members will remove him from the chair because he is destroying our local party.
Boy are you wrong! The TOWN OF WOODBURY DOES HAVE TWO VILLAGES WITHIN IT'S BORDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A part of the Village of Harriman and our now unwanted Village of Woodbury.
Everybody I talk to wants to dissolve the Village of Woodbury and not because they do not like the leaders, but because they were lied to about why we need a village. So if the goal is to dissolve the Village of Woodbury then let's get moving!
You can continue to live in fairy land with wrong information, but the rest of us will deal with reality and facts.
Johnathon Swiller, I previously asked uncle betty the following but did not get a response ...... Please enlighten me with the truth .....I've read and re-read the literature that the preservation party put out prior to the village votes , both for the creation of the village and the voting for the elected officials and nowhere did I find where they said that creating a village prevents annexation . Did I not read all of the literature?? Please help me understand the facts as I want to be able to vote in next years village trustee elections with solid factual & truthfull information
OMG you are stupid AND a liar.
There are two villages in Woodbury as someone else has pointed out (Harriman and Woodbury)
"Just say no" to annexation sounds just as stupid and simplistic as when Nancy Reagan said it. Do you think that if we say no, then the annexers are going to say: "Oh Ok, we'll move on now.."
Name calling, when accurate is an illuminating thing, MORON! LIAR!!
Excuse me, but Mike Aronowitz was right up Ralph's proverbial butt until he finally seemed to wake up when Ralph got his ass kicked by Roxanne the SECOND time. He appears to be one that waits until he sees which way the wind will blow before he makes his choice.
As far as backing the Community party, he NEVER showed up at their headquarters, and he never spoke publicly in favor of them. He whispered his so called "support", thus still being able to back off any endorsement IF hell froze over, and Ralph was elected.
I think the previous poster was just trying to point out that now that he's asking to be re-elected, it's time that he get off the fence about some things and either support them openly, or not. Same with the first WP-3 vote, I believe he abstained...why? He needs to stop being wishy-washy.
I just love these people that talk about how becuase we now have a village that means there cant be any smaller villages with their own zoning.
OK...your right...congratulations.
What do we now do about the other villages around us that can annex and have their own zoning and still stay in the TOWN of Woodbury.
THERE WERE NEVER GOING TO BE OTHER VILLAGES
But, genious, we still have the possibility of KJ annexing land and doing the same thing to us that happend in Monroe.
So, the village protected us how...oh yeah it protected us from something that was never gonna happen...it protected us from little villages...great i will remember that when i am paying my tax bill while KJ is seizing sections of Woodbury and building a small city on Ace Farm.
Thanks Ralph...what would we do without you?
After reading this blog and seeing the quote that Mr. Aronowitz apparently posted about Mr. Caruso (in order to secure him some votes) "A politician needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen. That's the kind of leaders we need so Vote for Ralph Caruso!", I have to laugh, and laugh hard!
Obviously Mr. Caruso had NO ability to foretell anything (especially about the VIllage) and that is why he has been absolutely silent since he lost his many elections...he has NO ability to explain why it DIDN'T HAPPEN!! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,ha............LOSER!
Instead of explaining why it didn't happen (i.e. protection against annexation) he's decided to explain that it never happened (his repeated assurances that creating a village would prevent annexation).
In other words, that's why we keep seeing that post "I've read and re-read the literature that the preservation party put out..." as if we have all forgotten what was being said back then.
Uncle Betty ......Get your head out of your ass and answer the question without the "spin" !!
Hey asshole. are you deaf? UB said that we remember what Ralph and the Ralphlings said and we do. They told us ovewr and over and over that a village stopped annexation. In the stupid preservation kit Ralph was as confusing as posible on purpose. But we all remember his saying it.
So is the answer that there is NO written statements in the Preservation Party information that was handed out prior to the village elections that said that creating a village prevents annexation ??
It wasn't in the Preservation Kit, nice try.
Doesn't anyone remember the information that Ralph put out PRIOR to the "Preservation Kit", in other words BEFORE he correct himself. In that prior info he did say that a village prevents annexation.
Doesn't anyone remeber what was said at the two informational meetings?
Ah, yes, how soon we forget.
But some of us don't forget.
Yes ralph, you knew at the time that you were lying and so the only thing that you put into print were weale words and saved the lies for saying out loud.
If it had been an honest mistake you would have written it. But it was a lie that you knew was a lie at the time.
I guess no one remembers Ralph insisting that "nothing" would change either...New York State doesn't know about this one because they have since told the Village otherwise! Things have to change by law...even though everyone has tried to "keep things status quo".
How was Ralph planning on keeping things unchanged?
The same way that he was going to deal with the annexation question, by denying he'd ever said it.
So let me review this.... Ralph said something ..but it's not in writing......but you know he said it .....( Do you have it on Tape ) ? When did he say it ( Time/Date /location )....... something stinks here on this blog as the information is very sketchy to say the least.. it seems like all you like to do is bash Mr. Caruso .....
That's OK. We bash Swiller for the same reasons.
Ralph, give it up. We remember you lying dog turd.
Why John!? That's the nicest thing you ever said to me. Give us a kiss!!
Suffice it to say that there is proof of every word uttered by every Ralphling, including "da man" himself at the Sr center "infomational" meeting, where Ralph took center stage, and also gave hand-outs. That's all the info you need for now.
Ah yes, some of us still have copies of Ralph's info!!!!
My favorite memory of those "informational" meetings was Hank Sullivan telling people to shut up when they tried to ask follow-up questions.
What ever became of Hank? Did he stop dancing?
The Malcontents have left the building now that all is good in Woodbury.
I remember Mal Content, wasn't he on the town board about 25 years ago?
Yes, He left town with his Russian chauffer, Pickov Andropov
Hey Ralph & Co-Thanks for making us the laughing-stock of the county, and the "whiners" as far as the State government is concerned...
FROM THE TH-Record
Land grab shows need for reform
July 08, 2007
One of Gov. Eliot Spitzer's promises at the start of the year was an examination of the costly and overlapping layers of local government that make New York such an expensive place to live and do business. In his State of the State address, he vowed that "we must consolidate New York's multiple layers of local government — those 4,200 taxing jurisdictions that cost taxpayers millions each year in duplicative services and stand as yet another impediment to change."
That Commission on Local Government Efficiency and Competitiveness, formed in April, has been compiling information and holding hearings. One is planned for the Hudson Valley on Nov. 28, time and place to be announced.
When the commissioners arrive in this region, it would be helpful if local residents who are interested in helping New York relieve itself of this burden show up with examples. They can be new or old as long as they show how absurd it is to have so many separate villages and towns providing so many services in such concentrated areas, all because the governmental structure of the region has not kept pace with the growth of the population and its needs.
Examples abound, the latest coming from the troika of Harriman, Woodbury and Monroe and a contest to see who can claim what to help fill the treasury with more tax dollars.
Harriman is a tiny village straddling the border between what used to be two towns — Monroe and Woodbury — but now also includes the Village of Woodbury, a municipality identical to the old town created in the hope that it could prevent Kiryas Joel from annexing land or otherwise expanding its high-density housing to the land of multiacre zoning.
The Woodbury phenomenon alone is worthy of a commission hearing. The Harriman land grab makes it even more exciting.
The village is first interested in annexing 53 acres of prime commercial land near Route 17, home of the closed Nepera chemical factory. If that land moved from the village/town of Woodbury to the Village of Harriman, it would bring a nice, taxable piece of property that could potentially lower the taxes for the Harriman residents.
That does not sit well with Woodbury residents, of course, who normally would not like a neighbor to abscond with tax money but really resent it now that they are village-people and have to pay more in taxes than they did when they were just townspeople.
On the other front in this war of annexation is the Town of Monroe — distinct from the Village of Monroe — which is fighting a Harriman plan to annex 8 acres near the intersection of routes 17M and 17 so it can allow a developer to build a 189-unit senior housing development on 11 total acres. Monroe says that idea would take money from it today and tomorrow because it would impede commercial development on the property. Harriman already has a court recommendation allowing the annexation as long as the homes go up within five years. If not, the land returns to Monroe.
If the commission is looking for a poster child to illustrate the absurdity of New York's overlapping governments and the way they waste time and money, this is it. Consider how many separate departments these towns and villages operate, all with unnecessary and duplicated expenses, while they tussle with each other to grab a few acres here and a few tax dollars there.
These governments sit at the intersection of some major commercial, population and infrastructure forces, the nexus defined by Woodbury Common, the Thruway, Route 17 and New Jersey Transit. The proximity to Rockland County and all that transportation makes it a certainty that the region will keep growing.
Visions of that growth led to the Nepera annexation request in the first place because Rutherford Chemical, owner of the property, felt it would be easier to sell the land if it were all in one jurisdiction both for taxes and for the inevitable environmental reviews.
Rutherford is right, and as long as towns, villages and companies keep such a single, narrow focus, these governmental gymnastics will always appear to be easier than the hard work of taking a regional approach and sharing the burdens, the resources and the revenues.
This is one of those cases, one that should be solved by consolidation, not annexation. Saying it would take too long or be too hard or just won't work are the answers that have gotten us into this mess, one that the commission was created to clean up.
Hopefully Spitzer's commission will publicly state how USELESS this whole Village of Woodbury thing really was!!!
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...That Commission on Local Government Efficiency and Competitiveness, formed in April, has been compiling information and holding hearings. One is planned for the HUDSON VALLEY ON NOV. 28TH, TIME AND PLACE TO BE ANNOUNCED.
Woodbury residents should attend and let the Commission know what we are living with and share ideas/concerns.
To the moron who posted this...
Anonymous said...
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7:15 PM
a) Was the article too long with too many big words so you fell asleep?
b) Were you one of the idiots that voted for the Village?
Or
c) Do you lack brain cells, and therefore were home sleeping when the vote occurred?
Obviously you're one of the above to have no interest in how the rest of the state now views the "Whiners of Woodbury"! Do us all a favor, and go back to sleep...and take Ralph with you!
oh the crappy village will save us, what bullshit, just wait for you next tax bill and shut up!
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