Yep
Here it is.
Right On Schedule.
The Patented Late Hit Lie
So, according to Bo (that's Amidee folks) and Carlton, Lorraine and Mike "hired the town assessor and approved the plan to increase your assessments."
Four statements: 1) Lorraine hired the assessor; 2) Mike hired the assessor; 3) Lorraine approved the increase and 4) Mike approved the increase.
Four statements and only three of them are dead wrong.
Wow.
Yes, Lorraine was on the town board, years ago, when Roland Tiffany was hired. Back then it was a non-controversial choice, but still, she was there.
Mike wasn't on the board yet. (Bo and Carlton get it wrong once)
The town board neither approves nor disapproves of an assessment. By State law they can't.
So Lorraine did not approve "the plan to increase your assessments." (Bo and Carlton get it wrong twice)
And Mike did not approve "the plan to increase your assessments." (Bo and Carlton get it wrong three times)
Three lies in four statements. Damn those boys are working overtime.
Here it is.
Right On Schedule.
The Patented Late Hit Lie
So, according to Bo (that's Amidee folks) and Carlton, Lorraine and Mike "hired the town assessor and approved the plan to increase your assessments."
Four statements: 1) Lorraine hired the assessor; 2) Mike hired the assessor; 3) Lorraine approved the increase and 4) Mike approved the increase.
Four statements and only three of them are dead wrong.
Wow.
Yes, Lorraine was on the town board, years ago, when Roland Tiffany was hired. Back then it was a non-controversial choice, but still, she was there.
Mike wasn't on the board yet. (Bo and Carlton get it wrong once)
The town board neither approves nor disapproves of an assessment. By State law they can't.
So Lorraine did not approve "the plan to increase your assessments." (Bo and Carlton get it wrong twice)
And Mike did not approve "the plan to increase your assessments." (Bo and Carlton get it wrong three times)
Three lies in four statements. Damn those boys are working overtime.
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Are you kidding me??? My donation to the Woodbury Democrats paid for this crap! Who the hell is running their campaigns? That's it- I'm voting for McNeill alone,and the rest of them can go to hell!
boy , you jumped right on that one.. McNeill
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As someone who has lived in and loved Woodbury for 25 years, I want to be clear about what I believe is essential to the future of our community.
We need strong, experienced leaders who can do two things:
1)Preserve the interests and beauty of our community tirelessly, with every diplomatic and legal tool at their command.
2)Do so in a way which does not rely on fear and faulty information, worsening tensions between our governments and, at worse getting Woodbury into serious legal problems.
Wisdom is Lorraine McNeil's (and others') hard work to prevent the sole annexation attempt by KJ in Woodbury's history- not through costly legal action or hysteria, but diplomacy and human respect. I have also watched her educate herself on issues, assist citizens with questions and think for herself. She is also the most experienced person on the town board.
Wisdom is Michael Aranowitz's decision to support plans for development that preserves open space and benefits the town, at risk to his own reputation. I have not always agreed with his past actions, but he has shown the ability to be flexible and make tough decisions for our town's future.
Burke, Haviland, and Levine, on the other hand, have failed to show any of the qualities Woodbury needs. They represent a group which has, since before Burke's first election worked out of fear, inexperience and misinformation.
Misinformation by bombarding people with erroneous fly-by night fliers of "high density housing," about the village and annexation, and about what they can and can't do with zoning law.
Fear is using bizzare language to make one's opponents resemble terrorists. (see photo news 11/2, Haviland)
And now this latest nonsense trying to trick frustrated Timber Ridge homeowners. Homeowners who have every right to express their dissatisfaction with actions of the assessor, but should not be taken advantage of so shamelessly.
At this critical point in Woodbury's history, what do we want to lead us forward? Misinformation and fear, or wisdom?
I encourage all of the people of our great community to come out tomorrow, November 6th and make the right decision for our future.
They should really just start sending fliers directly to Uncle Betty, we're all about given them the spotlight on election night!
Although it seems under the light some things don't look so good...
Desperation- that is what has fueled the Burke & Company campaign. The writing is on the wall for Burke- he's going to have to explain why he would give himself a raise, knowing that his job responsibilities are diminishing. Perhaps that's why he had to add a new task "... to vent disapproval with the decisions of the recently incorporated Village of Woodbury." Sorry John, that's not up to you!
"None of the candidates could offer any suggestions on how best to further reduce costs as the two governments move forward."
Here's one for you- as the departments slowly get transferred from the Town to the Village, I think the job of Supervisor should go back to being part time, with a reduction in salary of at least 50% or more!
Hey Unc, since Aronowitz lists your blog as a link on his site, could you ask him why the Citizens for Michael Aronowitz aren't showing any financial disclosures? Not saying he did anything wrong, just curious. His ads say they're paid for by the Citizens, so why no disclosures?
Thanks,
Curious Resident
Hey Conroy.. your still wet behind the ears... start paying taxes and maybe then we will listen to you
Hey Curious Resident here is my number 845.228.8901 call me anytime and I will answer your questions.
Hey anonymous, you're still anonymous so I don't see much reason to take you too seriously.
If you'd like to prove that paying large amounts of property tax to the community is the only valid contribution to Woodbury's well being, feel free. By that logic you would of course have to admit that developers, Woodbury Commons or other coorperations paying massive money in taxes on the land they own are the most important people in town. I'd like to see how far you get with that argument.
I'm not going to sit here and brag about myself, but I am committed to this community and have demonstrated this commitment in many ways, not the least of which being my work as an Eagle Scout to help uncover the graves of some of her founding families.
Yes, I don't currently own a house in town. I can't even spend all of my time there, as I'm doing graduate work in Harvard. But I still consider it to be my hometown for the immediate future, and do everything I can to contribute to its well being. While my family has a history of service to the community, I make my statements out of my own activism and contributions.
Feel free to tell us what you have done, or who you even are. Then perhaps we will have reason to listen to you.
Hey Caruso - you're still all wet - stop pushing up our taxes with dumb ideas like the Village of Woodbury and maybe then we'll listen to you (but probably not).
Sorry to be long-winded, and I don't wish to distract from the election. But I want to be very clear about why I am here, and to show the great inaccuracy of this statement towards a healthy involvement in civic affairs.
As a follow up, in addition to being condescending, I find your assumption that someone who doesn't pay taxes can't have anything of worth to say represents the unhealthy assumption in our society that once people go off to college they will have no further connection to their roots. I have intentionally and passionately attempted to counter this in my involvement with the community I grew up in.
You could make the argument that because I don't currently pay taxes on a house I have no right to make decisions affecting those who do. But you completely ignore the fact that by supporting reckless policies in our government, I would be possibly driving my own family out of their home, or the home which might become my own some day should we decide to keep it in the family. Of course I care about Woodbury, because my entire family is invested in its well-being. Every policy affects them through their taxes as much as any of us.
This sense of community responsibility, rather than an individual forgetting his roots, seems far healthier to me.
As a final aside, you statement also insults all of the hard-working renters and non- property taxpayers living in our town, by suggesting they have no right to participate in the democratic process. I am paying rent, by the way, out of my own pocket, and would happy to do so in Woodbury if I'm able to find work locally once I complete my studies in Boston.
I have no interest in speaking with you Mr. Aronowitz. Would just like to see the disclosures of ALL candidates, and unfortunately have not been able to find yours. Since election laws are for all to abide by, I think it's just a matter of keeping things honest. That's all.
I'm not as familiar with the election disclosure process, is there a place where they are generally archieved, or diclosed on a given party's website?
I can't speak for whether or not Aronowitz filed past disclosures correctly, but as I recall from helping in various elections one doesn't ussually report donations during the election they were given for.
Its ussually an end-of the year thing, at least the paperwork sent to the Election Board, which makes sense because you might still be getting contributions up to the day of the election. I'm not expert, but that's the part of it I've seen. Hope that helps!
Sorry Kieran, but if you go to www.elections.state.ny.us, click on campaign finance, then click on view committee by name, you can enter every other candidate's last name and it gives you their CURRENT financial disclosures, right up to 10/21/07. Whether it's through their committee or individual filing.
Strangely however, Mr. Aronowitz does not come up in either category. I know there are certain parameters, but I'm sure between his signs and mailings, that he expected to raise &/or spend at least $1000, and therefore it appears that he should have been filing. If there is a reasonable or logical explanation, that's all I'm asking for.
C35161
JOHN P. BURKE
Status = ACTIVE
Authorized Committee = COMMITTEE TO ELECT WOODBURY DEMOCRATS
Authorized Committee ID = C34796
There is no itemized financial disclosure data contained in the NYS Board of Elections Financial Disclosure Database for this Candidate or Committee.
Check for filings made by Authorized Committee above.
Electronic Filing Main Menu
C35162
CARLTON L. LEVINE
Status = ACTIVE
Authorized Committee = COMMITTEE TO ELECT WOODBURY DEMOCRATS
Authorized Committee ID = C34796
There is no itemized financial disclosure data contained in the NYS Board of Elections Financial Disclosure Database for this Candidate or Committee.
Check for filings made by Authorized Committee above.
Electronic Filing Main Menu
Click on C34796, then 32 Day Pre General Report and you'll see the money.
Thanks for the explanation (good for others who want to check as well). Now that I think of it, the situations I'm familiar with might have been more self-financed and didn't have quite as thorough a paper-trail. The law states $1,000+ require a person to declare as they go? Does that require continuous updates, or within a certain time frame?
Definitely not good to jump to conclusions, but these seem like reasonable questions. Still, it seems to me we can't know for sure if any of them weren't financing a good chunk of it out of their own pocket, or managed to keep their costs under $1K.
Thank you Kieran- I'm not jumping to any conclusions, just asking a question. Per the Board of Elections:
"A candidate is any individual who seeks to be nominated or elected to public office or a party position. For campaign financial disclosure purposes, an individual is a candidate and thereby has filing obligations if (1) action was taken to qualify for nomination or election (i.e., petitions are printed and circulated) or (2) monies were raised or expended by the candidate or any agent in order to bring about such nomination or election to the office or position."
Since Mr. Aronowitz is a "candidate", I simply wanted to know why there are no financial disclosure forms for him &/or his committee, which according to his literature is Citizens for Michael Aronowitz. Per the Board of Elections, there are definite dates that this information MUST be filed by, and as stated before, all the other candidates seem to have complied.
Hey Bo just sign your name
Curious,
Why does this "notice" only shows Haviland's and Levine's name and not Burke as well. All their other correspondence has all three of them on it.
If you want to look at who would send out such a thing I think you'd better look elsewhere than the "Committee to Elect Woodbury Democrat"
Nice Try Johnny, but it's a poor forgery. SOCA dishes out the propaganda machine again. At least they took the phrase "Yellow Journalism" literally.
I wouldn't go near anyone that supoort on daily basis. Bye Bye Lorraine
Why won't Mr. Aronowitz answer the campaign finance question?
No Bo the real question is how you and Carlton just put out lies about McNeill and Aronowitz and do not care. Or is that what ever BOB says you do, your both Chicken S*&^ losers!
I'm not Bo, nor Carlton, nor Swiller, nor anyone that you know. I am a person who believes ALL should play by the rules. I don't understand the agitation in asking a simple question that could easily be answered. Why doesn't Mr. Aronowitz &/or his committee appear to have filed any financial disclosure reports? It's public knowledge, so it's not llike I'm divulging any secret...or am I?
Again here is my number 845 228 8901 call me and I will fax, email, snail mail you anything you need. Stop the BS if you want a copy.
This discussion is public, and that's how the information should be presented, publicly. Have you or have you not filed the financial disclosure forms, and if so, why aren't they appearing? One would think that if indeed you have done things properly, that you would a) want the public to know and b) want any mistake to be rectified on the board of elections website.
SO your saying the others all filed and Mike A didn't? Is that true Mike?
Whoa- I'm not saying he didn't file- all I've pointed out is that nothing can be retrieved on the website- that's why I'm asking Mr. Aronowitz on a public forum to answer the question. He now has the opportunity to answer and clear the air.
wow thanks for keeping us informed Swiller you dick!!!
Conroy again wow you cant keep that family from talking too much and saying nothing... Back to Boston you fool ....
So I guess mums the word, huh Mike?
I cant speak directly for Mike as I am not his Treasurer. However, I can say that due to the new system in which candidates now file electronically with the state rather than the old fashioned way where they submitted a written report to the OCBOE there have been reports of backlogs at the State Board of Elections getting these reports uploaded. Remember there are over 900 towns and that's just towns having elections today...not to mention the many County Legislators and all other positions that are up. Theres a good chance that his report has not been uploaded to the state coputer system yet. I think that is why Mike is saying call him.
OK, so far here are the reasons that Bo and Carlton lied to the people of Timber Ridge:
1. Where's Mike's campaign report?
2. Kieran Conroy doesn't pay taxes here.
3. It's a forgery by Swiller.
Glad we could clear that up.
Next!
Thanks for the thought Jimmy, I was just assuming he doesn't want to get sucked into a flame war on election day and get blamed for whatever hasn't been pinned on swiller or me yet. :P
Thanks for summing that up Uncle Betty. Its nice to see I fit into the picture somewhere, though I'm getting the feeling this picture is one you need to be high and hanging upside down by your toenails to really appreciate.
As for anonymous poster #31718994, if you can dredge up anything intelligent to say get back to me. If all you can do is insult me like a 7-year old, I hope it at least makes you feel better about yourself.
It's unfortunate that the last minute smear flyer has gotten lost in this section of the blog.
This is the second election in which a last minute smear flyer arrived right before the election. Both in the 2005 election and this election, they have 2 things in common:
1) They came from supporters of and try to benefit John Burke and his team. (At least the Democratic Committee identified itself as the senders this time).
2) They are a blatant attempt to distract voters from the fact that Burke and his team are very inexperienced and have done little for Woodbury. Sadly, the flyers are intended to get people so upset that they overlook the underlying fact that they have been put out by people with no records or even and a record of volunteering for anything related to Town or Village Government. So to cover up this fact, they get people upset with scare tactics and misinformation.
Burke certainly knew about the flyer in his previous election which did not identify the sender.
It is disappointing to think that he, as Supervisor, would allow such wrong information about the assessment situation to be put out in order to get his fellow Democrats elected. And it is disappointing to think that the people running with him did not bother to check out the facts and went along with this misinformation. The ignorance speaks for the fact that they should not be elected. But for some in politics, the ends justify the means.
I am not happy with the Republican Committee under Caruso. But thoughts of changing to the Democratic Party with their ignorance and dirty tricks is not too appealing either. What really needs to happen is for people to get involved and have decent citizens take over both committees and clean house. Until that happens, we are stuck with the gutter dwellers.
Will we have any numbers on the turnout from Timber Ridge? Be interesting to see those.
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You're 100% right- it is a big joke that Bo won!!
Its pleasant to see those so magnanimous in victory that they can use 2 different words AND punctuation as they gloat.
Let me know if you didn't get any of those, I can link you to a dictionary.
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